Posts by DesirousOfChange

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

DesirousOfChange

Even after the huge loss of support - down 60% - he still is making enough to live a bachelor's lifestyle in Zagreb all for doing nothing more than acting like a total creep and putting out as little content as possible in order to keep the illusion going that he's hard at work.

I'm just reading and re-reading what Las Malvinas stated a couple of posts back. If that's all true, then it's all kind of an amazing story. Although I've no idea how great -- or not so great -- it would be to "live a bachelor's lifestyle in Zagreb".

"There's a sucker born every minute." ~ P.T. Barnum

(And I'm not applying that to Lloyd!)

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First Half of the Book of Hebrews (Study Edition) Now Available Online

by Wonderment in

april 11, 2024 (source: jw.org) .

first half of the book of hebrews (study edition) now available online.

the first half of the bible book of hebrews (chapters 1-7) is now available in the study edition of the new world translation of the holy scriptures on jw.org and in jw library.

DesirousOfChange

"God, who at various times and in diverse ways spoke long ago to the fathers through the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, . . . . " (Heb 1:1)
In other words, God NOW speaks through his Son,

WTF? Why would anyone conclude that THESE LAST DAYS (recorded circa 50 AD) has anything to do with NOW?

Of course, persons of every time period of those 2000 years have concluded that THESE LAST DAYS applied to their time period. Seems like all the evidence suggests that they all were wrong.

Some things never change.

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Watchtower intentionally misleading the court?

by Vanderhoven7 in

seems to me wt lawyers and witnesses cannot be trusted even under oath.. mara mitchell writes.

as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”.

attached is a video on how watchtower presents family members being treated by their family when defending themselves in court.. .

DesirousOfChange

It would be great if their lies and deceit were exposed and came back to bite them in the ass!

Unfortunately, sometimes (usually) justice is slow.

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I think I know what the GB is doing

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

read:.

but if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘my master is delaying,’b 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards.

hmm... let's see is anyone on the governing body a strict master and a drunkard?

DesirousOfChange

How about if there is no significance to this 2000 year old fable?

Ok, you say it’s a “real” prophecy. Why now? Why 2000 years later? Have not more climactic things occurred in “Christianity” in that 2000 year period? Why would it apply to a meaningless “speck” of a religious movement ie, Jehovah’s Witnesses? The group is totally insignificant on the world scene— a Legend (only) in their own mind. How can it matter if 99.99% of the world population doesn’t give a sh!t or doesn’t even notice?

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Prediction: no more changes for a long while

by slimboyfat in

i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

DesirousOfChange

When I was just beginning to wake up, I cancelled our Direct Debit, I didn't hear a word from the Elders or anyone else. -- Phizzy

I'm basing my statement on a younger couple who are friends of our (adult) children who told us that when they ceased FS there was no call from the elders. And, when they ceased attending meetings there was no contact from the elders. But, when they canceled their monthly donation, the elders were there in a New York second to check on them. Coincidence? Not likely.

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Watchtower intentionally misleading the court?

by Vanderhoven7 in

seems to me wt lawyers and witnesses cannot be trusted even under oath.. mara mitchell writes.

as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”.

attached is a video on how watchtower presents family members being treated by their family when defending themselves in court.. .

DesirousOfChange

Don’t you know that your family members made their own conscientious decision to quit associating with you of their own accord and without any undue influence from others.

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Prediction: no more changes for a long while

by slimboyfat in

i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

DesirousOfChange

The Borg is putting greater emphasis on young persons. Young guys are being appointed as MS earlier. Now that there is no 10 hour minimum in FS being tracked by FS reports, it will be even easier to promote less zealous young guys. At MS/Elder meetings when the CO comes through, contributing is a focus. I recall it being said that this group alone (MS/Elders) should be contributing enough to carry the expenses and any thing from others was "gravy".

That really makes an impression on young MS who is striving to be promoted to Elder.

I am not sure, but I suspect that with the new online donation arrangement, they know how much you are giving. I know for a fact that they know if you cancel your monthly tithe and will call to check on your "spirituality".

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When JW.org drops 607BCE...

by Nathan Natas in

probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

DesirousOfChange

If they ''scrap" ANY of the above. The Borg collapses.

I think they can announce New Light on any of those issues "above" and the majority of the R&F will just smile, nod, give praise to the Lord and the GB, and go right along as normal. (See below.) Nothing is going to "collapse".

Sure, you might have a little fallout, but by and large, people here think too much. There are not any "thinkers" (or at least not many) still in. The PIMOs might quietly bitch a little, but they will remain as PIMOs because it is to their advantage to continue to do so (or else they'd already be POMO).

Man-on-Hamster-Wheel.jpg - DE Inc.

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Prediction: no more changes for a long while

by slimboyfat in

i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

DesirousOfChange

If the dropped flies/debts are piling up they can't hold off long throwing out more treats to the lock steppers/social members. ~ LV101

Does anyone think that these new changes/adjustments did anything to increase contributions?

I just do not see it being any motivation for kicking in a few more bucks.

If I understand it all correctly, WT just kinda set an expectation of contributions from each Cong to be $10/pub/mo. which really is not all that much. I know of a couple single JW's each contributing $100/mo who really cannot afford to be doing that, but they do it (and feel guilty they are not giving more) and they do without other things. I don't see where beards & slacks will be any kind of incentive to increase the contribution. Thoughts?

JMO

Doc

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Weekend

by surprised2bhere in

can anyone tell me what the livestream/recorded talk is that is happening in uk this weekend?

went to memorial to please family.

now been invited to this!

DesirousOfChange

Likely will warn all in attendance that The End is very, very near!