DesirousOfChange

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  Anyone explain the generation idea!

  by Witness 007 in

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  i don't understand we went thru a phase where we down played the generation so now it's the generation that knew the 1914 generation???

  is that correct?

  how does that even work.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Clearly, NO ONE can explain the [overlapping] generation bullshit.

  Some things are just a matter of faith. . . . .

  Doc
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  What Did You Do For Fun That You Felt The WT Frowned Upon?

  by NotFormer in

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  2. friends

  in the light of the lifting of sanctions on glass clinking and recent threads on chess and dvds of lord of the rings, was there anything you did for fun, as a hobby or for recreational purposes that you felt might be "taken the wrong way" if it came to the attention of the elders or sister busybody?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Back when I was a teenager, the unspoken rule was "no penetration". So, 2nd base and 3rd base were always the goal. I played by those rules even with "worldly" girls. Oh yeah, I dated worldly girls (but don't think anyone ever was aware of that.)

  Drinking age dropped to 18 or 19 in our area, but I think it was right after I had reached that age anyway. But that never was a consideration anyway. I could always buy liquor with my fake ID.

  Overall, things were pretty relaxed. I think it was stricter in Congs in the bigger metro-areas. A bigger issue was "long" hair, and I don't mean "rock star" long hair, just the 70's style where hair covered the ear. OMG! that was rebellion!
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  JWs can toast now….what’s next

  by FFGhost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so you can see from multiple topics here (& elsewhere), based on gb update #4, jws now have permission to toast.. there’s been a boatload of “xyz is now allowed” over the past couple of years….beards, no ties in field service or at the kh, sister can wear pants at the kh & in field service…... what do you think is next?.

  a lot of folks are speculating on birthday celebrations being allowed, and i agree that will eventually come, but i don’t think it is next.

  too big of a jump.. heres my guess:.

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  DesirousOfChange

  • Russian and Jewish people do break their glasses after toasting, BTW.

    Greeks, too.

    Drunks too, on occasion.
    
    
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  Are JW's a Social Experiment ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when a person looks at the sheer volume of watchtower lies, denial of salvation, free labor, false prophecies, misrepresentations, gas-lighting and falsehoods about everything and anything, it makes me wonder if it's one big test to see how gullible people can be.

  there was as social experiment in the 1960's that tested how far people were willing to administer an increasing dose of electric shock if directed to do so by an authority figure.

  shockingly, people were willing to give lethal doses to their neighbors.

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  DesirousOfChange

  …so, it’s a horror movie?

  If only it were just a movie. . . .

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  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!

  Doc
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  They gained their freedom :)

  by HOTB in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  thought this young couple gave a very clear description of their, and possibly your/our, experiences from within the kh:https://youtu.be/vo2ekifftze?si=bg8rloubqdaew8py.

  hotb .

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  DesirousOfChange

  I watched a few minutes, but as much as I would like to do so, I just cannot commit to 2 hours of this.

  I wish so much that this was therapeutic for them! AND, I am so happy that they escaped at such an early age vs. wasting their entire lives slaving for the Cult and holding onto false promises!

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!

  Doc
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  Steve Let has been cloned

  by JohnR1975 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he looks completely different and he doesn’t do that raised eyebrows and funny mouth that he used to.

  and something is going on with his hair.

  is it a combover or a wig or is that even him?

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  DesirousOfChange

  One good thing that can be said about Stephen Lett--

  I think he alone has helped many JWs determine that there is NOTHING SPECIAL* about these fools.

  *Special -- well, maybe he rode the "short bus" to school.

  
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  AMIII reappointed at GB

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bethel's morning worship was concluded with the announcement that antony morris iii is reappointed at the governing body with effect from july 2, 2025.. the reason for this deeply considered decision is the new understanding of toasting before consuming a drink.

  the appointment of brother morris is an evidence of jehovah's blessing on the careful and conscientious efforts of the governing body.. g. .

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  DesirousOfChange

  At first glance at the title, of course I thought it was true.

  NOTHING would surprise me anymore!

  Doc
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  Demonic Influence While Intoxicated

  by EisMe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  scripture consistently warns against intoxication, highlighting how substance abuse weakens judgment and opens individuals to spiritual deception.

  while various herbs were used in biblical worship, they were only burned as incense, never smoked or ingested.

  additionally, there is no historical record of marijuana being used in ceremonial worship, either in the bible or among ancient civilizations.. warnings against intoxication and loss of judgment.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I always how the WTS handles it now that medical marijuana is legal in some states in the US as well in other countries?

  My understanding here in the USA is that WT treats medically prescribed MJ (in States where medical MJ is legal) as any other prescribed medication, which surprises me somewhat because, it is still illegal under federal law (though not enforced, at least not usually enforced).

  How is this rendering Caesar's things to Caesar?
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  Daniel 2:42 , is it really unstable democratic governments?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in its latest front page article titled “political turmoil that fulfills bible prophecy”, jw.org once again attempts to connect current world events with the vision found in daniel chapter 2, particularly the image composed of various metals.

  their interpretation of daniel 2:42 is laid out in the following paragraph: "the feet of the image are made ‘partly of iron and partly of clay,’ a combination that is inherently weak.

  (daniel 2:42) today, the power of both the united states and britain is weakened by elements within their own societies.

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  DesirousOfChange

  It never fails to amaze me how they describe things that are always happening and treat them as if they are a unique sign that can be used to mark a time period. This is such a common theme among end-times predictions.

  Or as someone put it: "It was the worst of times. It was the best of times."

  From "A History of the End of the World"

  One of the first predictions which tried to nail down the end of the world to a particular day was given by a bishop in what is today Portugal, by the name of Hydatius. Hydatius lived in a time and place where the Roman empire had gone, and chaos reigned. His prediction for the end of the world came from the Gospel of Thomas, which is one of the apocryphal books of the bible. Those are the books of the bible that basically didn’t make the cut because they couldn’t be authenticated. Hydatius predicted the return of Jesus and the end of the world on May 27, 482. He actually died in 469, so he wasn’t around to know if his prediction came true.

  Another early specific prediction came from a monk known as Beatus of Liébana, who lived in what is today northern Spain. He wrote a treatise called Commentary on the Apocalypse in 776 where he predicted the end of the world would come on April 6, 793.

  On March 25, 970, the feast of the Annunciation fell on Good Friday. There were several theologians which believed this was the date that the world was created, so they figured this would be the day that it ended.

  The year 1000 was a big time for end of the world predictions. Everyone was concerned about Y1K because of a line in the Book of Revelations that says After a thousand years have passed, Satan, released from his prison, will leave to seduce the nations of the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog and, as numerous as the sand of the sea, to muster them for the war “.

  Now we have over a 1000 years of more "End of the World" bullshit. It never ends. That is the predictions will never end. The world might if mankind fucks up things beyond repair.
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  "Slimboyfat" response why I have Witnesses for dinner.

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  he asked why we have them over for dinner....we are not disfellowshiped just faded away so we can still have dinner with witness friends now we have known for 10 years.

  alot of "faders" do same.

  you might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends..

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  DesirousOfChange

  . . . . people quietly standing on the side while wholesale abuse of every sort is allowed and promoted are imho not a good person.

  That's an interesting perspective. We have had PIMO friends & family encourage us to come back for the social network. But there are a few reasons why we do not consider that.

  1- I don't think I could sit there through these 5th grade programs and not get caught rolling my eyes or laughing.

  2- Someone might assume that we do totally support the bOrg because we attend regularly.

  3- I'd end up getting "removed" because I think some of my former associates would work until they "caught me" at something they could run with to the elders. Better to be just "inactive".

  But it reminds me of this quote:

  “First they came for the socialists, and I did not not speak out --- because I was not a socialist,” goes through a series of other oppressed, but ignored, groups, and ends with, “and then they came for me --- and there was no one left to speak for me,”

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!