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  Jw kids setting off fire alarms in hotels

  by purrpurr in

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  a friend of mine is staying at a hotel next to one of the big convention sites this weekend.

  yesterday she tells me one of the hotels had to be evacuated and the fire brigade called when the fire alarm went off.. it turned out to be a bunch of jw kids having a prank.

  she had been speaking to the hotel manager who told her that this happens every year and only when the jw's come to stay!.

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  Esse quam Videri, that pic sent a chill down my spin.
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  shunning verses victamization

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know i`ve put this out there before but i want to put it in a different context & see what you think.

  i`ve shunned my parents for 20 years (farther, step-mother) because they victimized me every day of my life as a child, believe me when i tell you that writing this , is unbelievable hard, it is making me shake & cry to be pulling up the memories.

  all of what happened i could have forgiven, but one thing.

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  Maksutov, do you even know what the word shunning means? Full definition- to avoid deliberately & especially Habitually. May imply repugnance or abhorrence. Thesaurus-to keep away from (as a responsibility) through cleverness or trickery. I revealed this bit of my history to help you see outside the box. As i`ve explained before to shun is to imply the object or person being shunned is bad. That is not the case is it though, I ve know of parents who have had nervous break downs & have suffered unbelievable stress, sleepless nights crying because of their loss. Is it not so, that although they are shunning along with the rest they are also victims. They dont abhor they children, they love them. My dad was a coward, my step-mum a narcissist, But not JWs. I was the JWs. I abhor them both. I shun them cause they made me a victim. It`s hard for me to put in to words on a bloody computer. Look whatever happened when i was a child isnt the problem, when it came back i choose not to take anti depressants not because i dont agree with them but because i didnt want the emotions numbed. I wanted to understand every feeling, then i would understand others when they went through the same, i may in a small way be of help. This in no way made me a victim.It made me a survivor. The problem was when JWs saw me struggling they took advantage. For example, there may be a two-way relationship between victimization & certain internalizing symptoms such as depression or withdrawal, such that victimization increases these symptoms, & the individuals exhibiting these symptoms may be targeted for further victimization by others. Do you see, they pushed me over the edge with their constant pressure. The constant victimization from the WTBTS to do all the things they say, when i truely was unable, the thought of disobeying JAH by not attending the convention, or the horrible comments that i would have endured for not going was the straw that broke the camels back. So yes when they semi-shunned me it hurt, but when i discovered the difference between shunning & what was really happening to me (victimization) i stopped blaming myself & took back my power. Because i`m not bad or weak, i`m good & strong. And now i can go forward. I want this for others who may be suffering with depression, anxiety, PTSD because it may help them to rebuild their lives, Understanding that many who they love like family who dont associate with them any longer are victims of the WTBTS aswell. It might just make it alittle more bearable, it may safe a life. I hope this makes things a bit clearer. I would like very much your thoughts.
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  how the things are going with my sister

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this morning i phoned my sister so as to know how the things are going with her problem with the congregation.

  if i remember well, five weeks ago, my sister was asked by the elders (in the street) to attend a judicial meeting for apostasy.

  my sister told them that she firstly needs a formal letter specifying who is accusing her.

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  Can i just ask, i was reading somewhere (dont remember where) of somebody who said they would take legal action if the elders said their name from the platform without their permission. Is that right? Do they need your permission to make a public announcement concerning your name?
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  shunning verses victamization

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know i`ve put this out there before but i want to put it in a different context & see what you think.

  i`ve shunned my parents for 20 years (farther, step-mother) because they victimized me every day of my life as a child, believe me when i tell you that writing this , is unbelievable hard, it is making me shake & cry to be pulling up the memories.

  all of what happened i could have forgiven, but one thing.

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  I know I`ve put this out there before but I want to put it in a different context & see what you think. I`ve shunned my parents for 20 years (farther, step-mother) because they victimized me every day of my life as a child, believe me when I tell you that writing this , is unbelievable hard, it is making me shake & cry to be pulling up the memories. All of what happened I could have forgiven, but one thing. When they started to treat my children the same way, then I walked, have never looked back, will never go, back, don't wont any inheritance as I feel this would be tainted. Had a nervous breakdown, suffered with PTSD, the stress at one point was so bad that I kept passing out having seizures where my brain was trying to cope with lack of sleep & anxiety. Until 8 months ago my partner came home & found me almost dead from an overdose. I was an enigma to the hospital how I survived. When I woke up in ICU the first words that came out of my mouth was, "I don't want to go to the assembly" now I`m bad association, semi shunned. You have become my friends as I start to rebuild my life. So shunning verses victimization, you see why there is a difference, a good side & a bad side, one that protects & one that tears down. Are JW protecting Gods congregation or tearing some-ones life apart. Please be honest, I would like to hear the truth.
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  bethel

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  mr vincent toole, he gets 3 meals a day his accommodation, daily exercise & a degree to be a lawyer.

  they are asking for kids ice-cream money so they can send their monkeys to uni to get them off child abuse cases, while telling the ones giving the money not to get a higher education.

  holy shit i never thought about that before.

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  Mr Vincent Toole, he gets 3 meals a day his accommodation, daily exercise & a degree to be a lawyer. They are asking for kids ice-cream money so they can send their monkeys to uni to get them off child abuse cases, while telling the ones giving the money not to get a higher education. Holy shit I never thought about that before. Clever, I`ll give them that, mean but very clever.
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  Are Witnesses Allowed to Read Bible by itself

  by Brighid in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been away from the boards so long that i had to create a new account but recent events have brought me back - i've missed this place!

  anyway, i heard a former witness being interviewed the other day that said the witnesses were now being highly discouraged to read the bible by itself (without wt literature) on their own.

  this seems over the top even for the witnesses.

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  Jehovah creator of the universe. The heavens & the earth & everything in it. How deep is his wisdom. Dynamic energy, power & glory. BUT A CRAP AUTHOR, you cant understand a bloody word he writes.
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  Regional Convention in Scotland

  by The Searcher in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  walking towards my seat after lunch, i made eye-contact with a j.w.

  male walking towards me.

  as we were passing, he smiled and said 'hello', so i replied with, 'hello'.. well, if a member of the g.b.

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  Sounds like Mark Sanderson really SUCKS you in with his je-HOOVER talks
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  Australian Branch Stats?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm working on some statistical analysis of child abuse data made public by the royal commission.

  while i'm working on this, can someone here do me a favor and look up the peak publisher figures reported by watchtower for the australian branch for each of the years from 2005 through 2014?

  my thanks in advance.

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  Nitty-Gritty why do you keep missing the point. Don't you get it, it`s more than just numbers. They LIED! for gods sake woman, they told all of us that these wicked men would NEVER hold privileges in the org. That's why so many parents trusted the elders, pioneers, MS. Don't you think if they had known the truth they would have been more alert. They say their representatives of Jehovah, who cannot lie. This isn't a mistake its deliberate, they knew. The kingdom of God belongs to these one`s. To the children & they have knowingly put them in danger. Everyone of those men put in the witness box had only one concern. PROTECTING THE ORG, not Jehovahs name & not the kids. GET IT.
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  The cruelty of shunning now being exposed rc

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  let justice roll forth.

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  Steve2, well I will have to eat my words. I thought you were being an ass. You weren't. SORRY SORRY SORRY. will you please forgive me.
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  The cruelty of shunning now being exposed rc

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let justice roll forth.

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  Sabin

  P.S. Don`t answer back because I will ignore you.