Oh yes Mr William Clinton you want your conscience on the matter of blood to be excepted, your religious freedom. But what of the Doctors conscience, of not wanting as he may of believed to risk a patients life?
Posts by Sabin
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12Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate
by OrphanCrow injehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.
the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.
(*full article at link).
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The BEST day of your life-------and the WORST day of your life?
by eyeuse2badub inthis topic may have been an op previously but i didn't get an opportunity to comment so here goes;.
mine are pretty simple;.
it was the day i married my beautiful wife of 49 years.
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Sabin
Best day of my life, apart from the holding my kid`s for the first time was the first kiss from my husband. 1st July 1993. He kissed me on the door step just inside my house OMG it was like electric makes my heart feel warm even thinking about it. Then we just stood there for an hour in each others arms & I told him he was everything I ever dreamed of in a man. We both knew in that moment it was for life. Within six weeks of meeting he had moved in & that was that. He is still to this day the love of my life. The worst day is yet to come when I disassociate from this cult & have to say goodbye to my beautiful children as they are both devout witnesses. Not looking forward to that. -
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Are There Good People Out There?
by LaurenM ineven though i'm no longer mentally a jw (i still technically am) i do recognize that there are some benefits to being raised one.
for example, the first (and only so far) wordly guy i was involved with had to smoke weed every day and got drunk all the time and that was his idea of fun.
i couldn't help but feel bad for him.
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Sabin
I think that people are people where ever you go. A lot comes down to luck. Right place right time. I`ve met amazing women J Dub`s & not who have ended up with the most awful men, & haven't had the strength to walk away & then there`s other`s who have found the strength to stay. I know it sounds like a contradiction but each persons trials & the way they deal with them, is as individual as the person themselves. In the J Dub`s we are taught that we are part of a big family which makes us vulnerable to those who are scrupulous on the inside because we willingly trust that their motives are good & taught those on the outside are the enemy under Satan`s control so we do not learn to trust our own judgement or listen to our inner voice, we are as babes which again makes us easy targets for the mean. Stop giving people the benefit of the doubt, I`m not saying you should prejudge them in a negative way I`m saying stay neutral, gain more info. Find out a bit of their history. If a guy cheated on his last girlfriend then it`s likely he will cheat on you. Be honest with yourself about your strengths & weaknesses . If something bad happens you aren't alone & you aren`t to blame. Know in your heart you are good. That is certainly what comes across in your words on the forum, every one else here sees it. -
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Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse
by defender of truth inthe article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.
the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.
jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.
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Sabin
Defender of the truth. I`m beginning to think that the money that they tell us is going to help our brothers & sisters is a lie aswell. I know I believed it cause they said so. The reality is I have no prove. Does anybody else? -
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Serious question about the Australian RC and the WTBTS.
by DATA-DOG ini have not been in a position to watch all of the interviews, so i'm sure that i missed a few things.
here is my question.
were either elders or ministerial servants accused of sexually abusing children, or were the accused just lowly r&f publishers or bible studies?
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Sabin
these are the ones they know about. There will be thousands more. I know of two child rape victims where it was never reported to the police. One sister who is now in her 50`s is aware that something happened to her when she was little but her brain hasent brought the details forward. Her fleshly sister & brother both know about it & have said nothing. Her sister told me it`s a kindness on her part not to say & the elder who raped her when she was 12 was convicted anyway so that makes it o.k. Apparently 17 girls have come forward so far. I think when you step back from the witnesses you can see so clearly how cruel they are. It makes you wonder how the hell you didn't see it before. -
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John 13:35.
by Sabin inso my husband believes the wording in john 13:35 is wrong.
instead of saying, "by this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves".
it should say "by this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love for yourselves".
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Sabin
Yeah! he was being sarcastic. Cause They are so selfish, all they care about is themselves. -
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John 13:35.
by Sabin inso my husband believes the wording in john 13:35 is wrong.
instead of saying, "by this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love among yourselves".
it should say "by this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love for yourselves".
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Sabin
So my husband believes the wording in John 13:35 is wrong. Instead of saying, "By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love AMONG yourselves". It should say "By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have love FOR yourselves". -
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best ex JW sites
by cobweb ini used to visit this site about ten years ago.
i haven't come her in a long time.
i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.
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Sabin
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Shocking development from Australian Royal Commission
by Esse quam videri init is reported that elder kevin bowditch was so upset at the grilling he received at the arc that he has traveled to austin, texas to prepare for any future encounters with angus stewart.. we see from various stages of the interrogation his increasing anguish.
he is reported as saying in private, '.. that's never going to happen again.
i think i was hung up and left out to dry by the governing body.
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Sabin
it doesn't surprise me, these men have been put on a peddle stool for years, with the belief that God was going to protect them. I`m sure they thought at the time (because they were stupid) that following the directions of the GB they were protecting Jehovahs name. Of cause no-one has called them to account for their actions before. Angus Stewart forced with his clear cut reasoning, them to really think about the children & how it would have been for them. How the way that they handled things was so damaging that it is truly this organization that has given God a bad rap. His face (Kevin Bowditch) when told he didn't care about any of the children outside the org was a picture of utter disbelieve. He had never seriously considered how unbelievably wicked that actually was. I hope his conscience has haunted him. Maybe he will be moved to write a letter of apology to the victims all on his own. -
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So there was a fish swimming along...
by Zoos in... and it bumped into a concrete wall.
you know what he said?.
"dam!
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Sabin
I`m so sorry if I`ve offended anyone. My husband told it to me & I found it so funny I nearly peed my pants.