Thank you Crolson that is very thoughtful of you. Yes lots have left & are very hurt by the injustices done. However I must say that this is so of all religions so while you may find many things wrong with the way the organization conducts itself I hope you will not be to judgmental on the every day jW who in the main are just trying to do their best. Their are lots of those on this forum.
Posts by Sabin
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18Basic JW Doctrine
by crolson inhi, i am not a jw, but i am a student studying the jehovah's witnesses.
i was wondering if a jw could answer a few questions for me about your doctrine?.
where does your teaching come from (which writings)?.
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Basic JW Doctrine
by crolson inhi, i am not a jw, but i am a student studying the jehovah's witnesses.
i was wondering if a jw could answer a few questions for me about your doctrine?.
where does your teaching come from (which writings)?.
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Sabin
Hello Crolson, it is so nice to meet you. You have an awful lot of questions. You say you are a student studying JW what exactly do you mean, studying with them or about them? If you are studying about them then may I be so rude as to ask in what capacity? You will find many different answers to some of the things you ask, as one`s on here have varying opinions. What you will find though is a group of people who unlike the average JW allows others the right to their opinions, a group who are able to agree to dis-agree with out judging others as bad/fit for destruction, again unlike the JW`s. Please stay & I hope you will find it an education. SABIN.
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truth
by Sabin ini`ve been thinking, a thread was put up about a month ago asking the question " why me?
basically why some of us find out ttatt while others are so blinded, good, sincere people that we love.
well after some consideration i have come to the conclusion that 1) some are in the truth 2) others want truth.
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Sabin
I`ve been thinking, a thread was put up about a month ago asking the question " Why me? basically why some of us find out TTATT while others are so blinded, good, sincere people that we love. Well after some consideration I have come to the conclusion that 1) some are IN the truth 2) others WANT truth. There is a big difference between the two, it`s the 2nd group that seem to wake up because they are not so inclined to just blindly ignore what is going on when they see very clearly something is a miss. They are aware that lies are being told & move to investigate, thus learning TTATT.
What do you think? could this be so in your case?
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Time for a BK cult purge again
by Witness My Fury inthere's too many bk cult threads and operatives on here lately.
mind you 0 should be the figure at any rate.. here's a simple suggestion.
you can sniff out a bk cult adherent by flagging certain keywords they are guaranteed to use.
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All It Takes Is ONE!
by John Aquila inive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
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Sabin
Oh oppostate you are right, I remember in 1 of the books it said they will be adopted as children only at the end of the 1000 years when they attain perfection (worship book I think) well that has to be wrong cause the anointed are imperfect while on earth as well so they cant be considered God`s children either, that would just be hypocritical. So I`ve decided it`s what I believe.
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A call from family - Armageddon this month!
by kaik ini very seldom receive a call from my jw siblings, i mean seldom.
i can count them on my hand in past 10 years.
while we talk about mom a lot and i am in touch with her, i was very surprised when i received this call.
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Sabin
yes yes it`s true they are sending out more regular pioneers that is because they are changing the status of the special pioneers so they no longer have to pay them an allowance, then they get to keep more of the contributions for themselves. You can bet your bottom dollar that the babble crap society hasn't told them that. OMG this makes me feel so mad, is there anything that comes from the WTBTS that isn't tainted with falsehood. They lie all the time by omission, deliberately withholding information from the congregations when they have a bloody right to know. It`s cause half the JDub`s would walk out if they actually knew the facts. The Bastards! -
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All It Takes Is ONE!
by John Aquila inive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..
and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.
what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.
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Sabin
John Aquila another beautifully written thread. That I fear is how it will be for many. Surly it would have been a kindness on the part of the borg to get the younger ones integrated back into society as I would be so much easier for them to cope.
Simon, I`m afraid that I feel the Borg is absolutely responsible for these ones fate. You have to remember these people believed they were serving their heavenly father, many would be completely sincere in their endeavours, is a child to blame for the abuses inflicted on it by an unloving parent. I know what your going to say they aren't children, but we are all children of God at least according to the Borg. Now many of the ones dropped will feel abandoned & that will have a profound effect on their mental & emotional well being. I think it is cruel.
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Someone please tell me there is a JW Survivor help line
by WireRider inwho can jw survivors call for help?
experienced survivors?
anyone?
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Sabin
Hello again Wirerider, Aside from the forum here where some-one can talk freely without judgment, I would recommend Exiting the JW cult: a healing hand book by Bonnie Zieman. Yes you do have to buy it however it`s not really expensive & the information & advise she offers having been raised a JW for 30yrs, experienced the challenges of leaving, was a licenced psychotherapist I have found to be of great value. You could probably borrow one from the library at no cost at all as well. Are you thinking of yourself or for your ex? -
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This Video Makes A Lot More Sense Today With Whats Going Down Today
by freemindfade inwith today's events the message and tone of this video makes a lot more sense.
thus the defeated, failing, delivery.. http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.
it had a purpose.
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Sabin
Eyes looking right, right sided parts of the brain, can be a warning sign of fabrication if the person is supposed to be recalling & stating fact`s. Basically making things up. Slow head nodding, this can also be a faked signal. Not once did his eye`s move to the left. Very interesting. He seems to me to not believe what he is saying. I wounder if we will see another GB go, as did Raymond Franz. -
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Template to dump Special Pioneers
by avaddohn94 in"downsizing" has reached special pioneers.. this is the template mexico is using to get rid of many of its special pioneers.
see how cold and unloving is the language they use.
a translation attempt is as follows:.
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Sabin
I think the reason they are making them re-apply is to find out exactly who they still have control over & who complains (these one`s will need to be silenced).
Sparrowdown, I liked your comment don't forget though there are also one`s that are sincere & haven't looked down on others.
The saddest thing here is it may cause more suicides, especially for the poorer ones who have nowhere to go. For the older ones to have to start all over again, go find work in a country that is poor that many are trying to get out of. WOW can you imagine the anxiety they will face. Do you think there will be counselling set up for them to help them cope? No bloody way. 13 weeks & your out.
GOVERNING BASTARDS!