One other thought,
If IQ tests are not the best predictor of job success, what is? Under what circumstances should IQ tests or other measures, that you think are more valid, be used to assess job potential and when are they not worthwhile? Are tests, of any sort, culturally or sexually biased? How is the reliability and validity of any assessment measure determined? What is the difference between reliability and validity? What are the methods of determining the reliability and validity of any measure (not just IQ tests)?
Posts by larc
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46IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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larc
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IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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larc
Mecurious,
Regarding the Wechler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC), most children would score about the same on all subtests. A dyslexic child would, as you asserted, score poorly on subtests that measure spatial ability, but they (if innately intelligent, though dsylexic) would score well on other subtests. This wide degree of "scatter" on the subtests, would be a diagnostic indicator, that further, more specialized tests should be given. Therefore, this particular IQ test is a very important diagnostic tool to get at the root of dsylexia and other learning disabilities.
You may disagree with my statement that mental ability is related to career success. I provided a reference. Look it up. Neither you or the person you favor have offered any research references.
Yes, there are very accomplished people who had specific learing disabilities and over came them, either through intervention or the stint of their own effort. General Patton was dsylexic, and over came it through shear will and the discipline associated with full effort. I am not talking about a specific disability. I am talking about general mental ability when I talk about the correlation between IQ and career success. I have tested people with an IQ of 70, and I have tested people with IQ's in the 130's. Believe me, there is a huge difference. Someone with an IQ in the 130's could have invented the airplane, as did the Wright Brother's, if that person was in the right place at the right time. Someone with an IQ of 70, never could, no matter the circumstances. -
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It's so simple -- Matthew 24
by cruzanheart inso here i was this evening, reading the old familiar matthew 24 with the kids before bedtime, but i was reading out of our very nice contemporary parallel new testament, specifically the message version, and i had this sudden realization: jesus didn't give us a really complicated, mysterious prophecy that had different types and antitypes -- he was simply continuing his original message (love your neighbor, love god).
remember verse 12 about the love of the many cooling off?
the verse right after that talks about enduring to the end.
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larc
Canon,
Your last, terse comment had nothing to do with the very patient and kind analysis provided to you, by several posters.
I found your comment about Noah and the implication that we are doomed to be in sharp contrast to the quote from 1 Cor. 13, provided by Big Tex.
I don't know if you know Big Tex's background, but he has been very badly damaged by members of your religion. Those close to him did not show love at all. Fortunately, he can draw on the strength of the scriptures and the friends he has here.
Canon, I have been alive for along time, and I have come to the conclusion that "knowledge" doesn't account for much, even though I have a bunch of it, and love accounts for everything.
As the song says, "Greatest thing you'll ever learn, is to love, and be loved in return." (Nature Boy, sung by Nat King Cole and later by Gracie Slick.) -
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Remnants of JWism
by berylblue infor me, i don't have "remnants".
i am still, i realize, about 90 percent jw.. however, i'm curious as to what other still have "left" from the org...for example, i am still politically neutral for the most part, and would not support any war and would rather die than take up arms.
this may be mostly my own pre-jw personality, but at this point in time, its so difficult to know what i am, even who i am..... do any of you still have (or maybe cling to, which may be true in my case) jw beliefs or tendencies, or have you gotten rid of them all?
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Beryl,
You ask, "how did you get over it." I did not attempt to get over anything. I just lived life, learned new things, and let the chips fall where they may. When I first left, I carried many residual beliefs with me. I have been out for very many years, and today my ideas are very different than they were way back then.
I think we all change and we may change in very different ways, one of us from another.
I know that my wife and I came from a common heritage. We left together, but we came to very different beliefs and perceptions, while living in the same house and having many common experiences. -
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IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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larc
Hi Eduardo,
Yes, I am a salesman for IQ tests. They have done much good in our society, and thank you for thanking me for playing.
To make sure that I don't "mangle" your words, I will take your direct quote from your last post, to wit (a Rutherford favorite term), "intiellignece has nothing to do with occupationial or career success". Did I quote you correctly? You are simply wrong. Please review the Psychological Bulleton, 1998 article by Hunter and Schmidt on this subject.
For you to cite the JW's as an example simply doesn't change anything, since they are such a small % of the total population. Yes, they can be cited as an exception, but that does not change the general rule. Also, I was discussing mental ability, not formal education. There are many intelligent people who did not go to college such as the Wright Brothers, William Anderson - former president of NCR corp, Dave Thomas - founder of Wendy's, and Martin Sheen.
On a minor point, Einstein was not a "school drop out." He had a graduate education in physics.
I consider this all to be a side issue. To me, the main point is why intelligent people come to have ideas we see as foolish? You might want to read Mark Twain's chapter in his book, "Christian Science." It is the best explaination I can find on this question. -
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Is There Something You Want To Get Off of Your Chest or Vent About???
by minimus inone of the great things that this board offers is the ability to express yourself.
sometimes, things we couldn't tell a person to their face, we can express here.
or we might be able to give of ourselves, our experiences, our joys and frustrations......you name it!.......regarding my vent, it is that i can't understand why some post on these boards and yet are very pro witness.
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larc
No, there is nothing I want to get off my chest, but there is something I want to get off my wife's chest - her blouse and her bra.
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To The Folks
by Farkel inthose of you that know me well know that i'm not going to say anything or much of anything anymore in this forum.. .
however, i will be offering much of my music instead.
i won't be posting it here anymore.
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larc
Hey Teejay,
What it means is that we all Like Farkel, and we get upset over his very senative nature. His shy, humble nature has to be understood. The poor fellow, is volatile, and prone to sucking his thumb, when not playing the piano.
Hey brother Farkel, fork you on Friday at the fish fry. -
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IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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larc
Oops,
I made a mistake. It is the Comprehnsion subtest, not the Information subtest of the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. -
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IQ and JWs
by Freedomrules indo you think there is any correlation between intelligence and membership?
most jws i've known aren't that bright, and it seems that most that leave are really intelligent.. just an observation.
any thoughts?.
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larc
Orobours21,
I hate to tell you that you really don't know what you are talkin, about IQ wise. First of all you assert that IQ tests are culturally biased. Proof it with research information, not assertions. Hunter and Schmidt, in Psyhological Bullitin in 1998 demonstrated through meta-analysis that IQ tests are the single best predictor of job success.
So, your next point is incorrect where you assert that IQ is not related to occupational acheivement or educatioanal acheivement. That is simply not true. Do you really believe that someone in a sheltered workshop will do as well as someone who gets a PhD in pyshics??? Cut me a break.
Your next assertion is also, misguided. You state that the tests don't measure common sense. Well, the Informatiomn subtest of the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale, does measure it.
Now, your last point has to do liguistic and Matimatical ability. Actually, good tests measure these factors, plus spatial ability. -
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It's the "YOU ARE WRONG!" Game!
by Yizuman inok, so here's the idea, for anyone who doesn't know... .
the first person makes a (supposedly) undeniable statement.
the next poster has to somehow prove him wrong, and make a statement of their own.. .
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larc
The Bible is the answer to modern day problems.
You are wrong. I checked the Bible and it had no instructions on how to fix a flat tire, let alone how to overhaul an engine.
Now try this one: California wine is the best.