Posts by Larry

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Leaving the Flock-Biggs is Almost Out!

by Mister Biggs in

nearly one year ago, my doubts were brought to the surface from the deepest bowels of my brain.

in fact, this site scared the poop out of me!

but, facts are facts.

Larry

Mr. Biggs - For what it's worth:

I hear you loud and clear, Outside of this web-site it's a lonely road we travel towards personal freedom, but it's worth the trip. As MLK said "Freedom isn't free."

It's good that you are feeling out your wife, you never know, she might leave with you. After I finally left, I realize that my wife had serious doubts as well, and was only in it to support me as I strived to climb the 'spiritual ladder' to salvation. Often times the other mate is mainly concern about our well being - how this major change in your life will effect you - emotional, spiritual, and financial. Unfortunately, sometimes when one mate leaves or gets booted out of the BORG the mate that's still in gets treated the same as the one that left. So your decision will effect your wife, and she may feel that's it's unfair the way the 'friends' threat her.

As far as leaving or drifting away, I recommend it, at least you will still 'officially' be able speak to JW's. I did the same for a while, but I couldn't take the hypocrisy. I mean, one minute I'm helping out the 'friends' with all kinds of problems - depression, financial woes, suicidal thoughts, marriage and children problems, etc. and the next minute they walk on the other side of the street - and this is immediately after I resign as an Elder. You can imagine how they view me now. I case in point is the day of 9/11. I was in that mess, and as I came home covered with ash and sooth a Dub that lives in my building saw me and turned her head. I figure something like 9/11 would dismantle the shackles of religious ignorance and bring one back to common decency for at least a second or so, but it didn't.

Once a Dub visits and reads anything on this board they will immediately began to doubt - the evidence in this site is too overwhelming. I often say the 'logic' that brought me into the the 'troof' is the same logic that brought me out. It seemd that the same logic is compeling you to make desicions - Do I stay in and be 'people pleasers' or do I leave and be my own person? Hope to see at the Silentlamb March.

Discovering the truth about the troof doesn't stop with the BORG. When you get a chance dig into the roots of all religions and the bible, I'm sure you will find bigger surprises.

Peace - LL

38

WHY ARE YOU HERE?

by jst2laws in

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joy2bfree and i have so enjoyed meeting over 70 of the posters here on jwd in the last few months.

this has brought us even closer to many, yet the things i learned about each made me even more concerned about others here.

i hope each is getting what they need from this cyberpub we visit.

Larry

Reasons 1,2 & 3.

Peace - LL

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If you could ask ex-JW's one question....

by SixofNine in

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if you could interview all ex-jw's and ask just one question about their life as a jw, or their thoughts on jw's, what would it be?

Larry

Did you write about your experience, b/c I would like to read it.

Peace - LL

25

Computer games or television or internet?

by haujobbz in

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its funny when i was younger my family always called me to come downstairs and be with the family,but the problem was my family would all just sit and watch tv and hardly say anything,so when someone says to me you play to many computer games or browse the web i say well its better than watching tv for 5-6 hours a day,all though i was brought up around tv i must admit i have started reading alot and now i actually like reading books and info on the net.is it the same for most of you on here,was your family boring or interesting, do like to play computer games,internet, etc.

i recently bought an x-box and a gamecube halo and rogue leader are brilliant im hooked!!!!

!

Larry

My son plays videoame - PS2, Dreamcast, N64, Gameboy, etc. The only vidoegame I like is football and golf. If given a choice and spare time, I would play 'spades' (cardgame) on yahoo all day :)

Peace -

23

Prayer

by larc in

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now that i am a long away from religion, i have to ask, what is the need for this prayer thing?

now, god knows everything, right?

well, so what is the need for prayer?

Larry

I would prayed if it mattered. Prayer may help the person feel better, but it sure doesn't change matters. Thinking about it, if g/God answered prayers he/she/it is pretty unfair and evil. Why answer prayers for one group of people and not the other. More on that somneother time.

Peace - LL

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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #15

by ozziepost in

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owyergoin' on this fine weekend?

here in new south wales, it's been beaut, brilliant, great and yet it's still terrible!

'cos we haven't seen rain in....well, we've forgotten.... and the eastern states are gripped by one of the worst droughts on record.

Larry

Love that question - Answer: 9) 301-400

While in the BORG, I've read everything the BORG had to offer. Every publication From 1800's - 1990's, every article in the W&A from 1985-1997. I loved it all, I even use to write article reviews for personal usage. However, I outgrew the BORG, and that's when my eyes began to open. Prior to leaving the BORG, I've read maybe 2 or 3 non-jw books. But once I left, I started reading everything under the sun. I can't believe how much ignorance I was for all those years. Anyway, I love reading non-fiction books, I was living in fiction long enough :)

Peace - LL

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U.S. War with Iraq

by Crazy151drinker in

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i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

Larry

Yes, That is a MAJOR concern for me b/c I would be deployed. Life is pretty good right now, and that would 'monkey wrench' things. Beside, I'm schedule to go to Egypt in Oct. but the way things are going it doesn't look good :(

The Army is like Bethel - The rank and file are always to last to know.

England (Tony Blair-Up) wants to go to war more than US. I think the key to finding out if we will have a sand party is to watch the news. Usually the gov't will try and gain public support via the media. So if Saddam is looking more and more like the evil one, then we are prime for battle. Also, watch the economy - War is for good business.

That's why I sign out with 'Peace' - I want Peace in the Middle East.

Peace - LL

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X-Mas Bonus

by Larry in

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as a dub, did you accept the x-mas bonus?

if so, did you feel hypocritical?

this is, of course, b4 the qfr came out saying it's ok to do so.. peace -

Larry

As a Dub, did you accept the x-mas bonus? If so, did you feel hypocritical?

This is, of course, b4 the QFR came out saying it's ok to do so.

Peace -

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Who Are We ?

by Dia in

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i'm interested in exploring a few things.

to try to keep these two topics separate, i'm going to attribute the letters a and b to them.

a for 'who's on the board?

Larry

A1) We were raised in it without our consent.

Regarding:

B1) JWs are comfortable and unashamed of cheating on some legal things like taxes -

I knew of some Bethelites who were in a car accident and the driver was not covered in the rental car insurance. So of course they had to lie on the accident report in order for them to be covered b/c the car was totaled.

B2) JWs like to participate in the 'goodies' of various holidays, without being 'part of' them. They do so by 'celebrating' on a nearby date and leaving out 'symbols' of the holiday.

True, my former supervisor asked me why I could accept a x-mas bonus when I didn't celebrate x-mas? She also said out of all the years she worked there, only one JW ever turned down a x-mas bonus. I said "I don't look at it as a x-mas bonus but as an end of the year appreciation check :)

B3) JWs have very superficial relationships with other JWs and must like it that way?

Kinda - I recall a 'good' buddy of mine was real close with an elder from another congregation. But once that elder left or got booted, this guy turned on him instantly! He had no mercy or consideration for him what so ever. Of course the same thing happened to me, but that's another story :)

B4) JWs have a deep need to believe that they have a superior kind of knowledge about things in the Bible.

Yeah, there is this Dub on my job, but he doesn't know I'm an ex-jw. I've heard him curse and stuff, b/c he was trying to act cool around me. Anyway, as I was talking to another co-worker about something biblical, she said let me ask 'so and so' he knows his bible. So she asked him and he came out with this attitude like 'how can I help you, the bible is my thing'. So yes, many think they know their bible, but they only know there bible more than most because many folks don't read the bible. He is only knowledgeable by default :)

Peace - LL

14

Stupid parent tricks

by LuckyLucy in

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as a child when i would cry (a big no no in our family).

my dad would say" if you keep crying i will give you a reason to cry".

if we spoke at the dinner table, he would reach across the table (did'nt matter how far away you were..his arm seem to grow) he would thump our heads as hard as he could(leaving a bruise).

Larry

Before I had my 2 cent, I just want to say - Reading those experiences really emphases why this broad is needed. Writing is therapeutic and I'm sure we all feel better after we express our feelings.

As Lucy, in the Peanuts, would say "The Doctor is in - 2 cents please. Simon my 2 cents is in the mail

No, I didn't get many beatings, but my mother sure would try and make ya feel guilty. I remember around the mid 70's one of the CO was visiting our Hall (matter of fact I think it ws JR Brown!) and I fell asleep. My mother was visibly upset over that - She berated me and said "How could you fall asleep on such important information!" If looks could kill, I would have been a goner :) I wonder how important that life saving information is now :)

I think one of the main reason most of my family are witness is because of my mother - I'm sure if they thought about leaving the BORG, they would be concern about her reaction more than the BORG's reaction. Yes, Moms is an excellent 'CULT-ta-va-tor.'

Peace - LL