Larry01 - I'm only responding because of our namesakes :)
This place is hazardous to those who are programmed by the Governing Body.
Peace - LL
Posts by Larry
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28Just Someone To Talk To
by Larryf01 ini've had a hard time finding a place just to chat with jw's.
i'm not baptized...only studying.
yet, i know this is truth and jehovah is the true god.
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Transitions after leaving the borg..experiences?
by LyinEyes ini am just going to put this out here to see how you all feel about this.......... here goes............... do you think that being a jw , especially raised in it, has taken away your chance of ever trusting yourself ever again in regards to what you believe in?
i mean , you can read books, many by very educated men/women, you can read every bible printed, you can read every self help book, but do you find yourself at times just not caring anymore?
i mean once your trust has been broken, what is the point in reading another man's version of what truth/reality is?
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LE - "You yourself said it" :)
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what is the point in reading another man's version of what truth/reality is?" Your truth is just as good as the next persons.
"I pretty much don't think there is any right or wrong, and would love to accept that for what it is." Such a deep concept - 'it is what it is.'
"I think I am still going thru transitions here. " The transition is life long.
"I know there is not absolute knowledge and peace." Amen to that!
Yes LE, it sounds like you will be ok
In answer to your question about trust - Well, when I did my research on the BORG, I didn't stop there. I discovered just about everyone deceived me - The History I learned in school, Corporate America, Politics, Religion, and My family. For a while I felt resentful towards just about everybody - Damn, I'm a grown ass man and I'm opening my eyes to everything in my 30's.
Now that I caught up on most things I take things in stride. Beside myself, the only thing I believe in is a Creator, everything else is speculation. That, of course, is subject to change at any time :) "
... there is not absolute knowledge."
Peace - LL
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Victims of Pedophilia=Holy Grail on JW.com
by LDH inwell, since i've been rather "inactive" and haven't started any new threads in a coupla months at least, i want to get your thoughts on this subject.. i've been reading a fair deal (since i'm a fast reader, i've always been able to keep up with most of the posts.
) but lately (past month) i really haven't been feeling drawn to jw.com.
i have nothing but admiration for simon, ang, bill and shiela but i do have some questions worth raising.
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Holy Grail - Good one. This place is like the public at large - Some folks get away with things and some folks don't. I understand your point(s) Lisa. I've read many disturbing post and was surprise that no one said anything about them. But I realized that people can't really fully understand a situation unless they are in it, I just considered the source and move on.
Regarding Fred - I'm N/A regarding him. I never really read his post from day one. I knew he had much to say, but I just couldn't understand him. I think it has to do with JW's being here, preaching, etc, when they know they are not suppose to.
On another point - HS mentioned earlier, "I find it disturbing for example that the work of many to overturn the no less murderous WTS Blood policy has not found similar momentum because it is less news-worthy and has no public personality attached to it." I whole heartily agree. I can't wait until the Blood issue is more news worthy. Thinking about it, there are at least a dozen issues that involves innocent people's lives that need exposing. However, the silentlmabs issue is in the forefront now and making tremendous waves, it need to be supported as much as possible, as it will served as a stepping stone to other issues.
Lisa - Keep it coming :)
Peace - LL
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*AUDIO* of our COVERT OPS & THE STORY
by zev ingwen and i went on a mission .
going in as a couple of "interested ones"...into a kh that i was reasonably sure i wouldn't be recongnized as the "uadna-ri" i went in with a hidden wire and tape recorder to get the "evidence".
on this site you will find links to 4 audio files... the first two are "the part", and the other two files are an audio clip of the "love bombing" attack we got when we left the first meeting, and the reading of a letter to "all congregations" concerning the discontinuation of subscriptions.. as with all jw things, it is interesting to hear the comments made by the speaker, things not written in the km, and views, attitudes, and references made when speaking of how to treat disfellowshipped family members.. all in all, i am glad we went on this misssion.
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Damn good job Zev!!!! - This recording is valuable. Thanks a million!
I didn't know they still say - "Let's turn our attention over to Bro. So-and-So," and "Let's consider paragraph..." Haven't they thought of some thing more creative.
Gave me chilling reminders, especially as a reader. I remember trying to sound just like the GB would sound if they read the material.
I don't know why they use quote the Bible as the authority - The real authority, in their world, is the words of the GB.
I can imagine in other K-Halls children answering such venom and being viewed as cute, as the congregation snickers at the expense of someone's life :-(
Peace - LL
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Hangover Ratings
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1 star hangover *
No pain. No real feeling of illness. Your sleep last night was a mere disco nap, which is giving you a whole lot of misplaced energy.
Still able to function relatively well. However, you can drink 10 bottles of water and still feel as parched as the Sahara. Even vegetarians are craving a Cheeseburger and chips.
2 star hangover * *
No pain, but something is definitely amiss. You may look okay but you have the attention span and mental capacity of a stapler.
The coffee you chug to try and remain focused is only exacerbating your rumbling gut, which is craving a full English breakfast.
Although you have a nice demeanour about the office, you are costing your employer valuable money because all you really can handle is some light filing, followed by aimlessly surfing the net and writing junk e-mails.
3 star hangover * * *
Slight headache. Stomach feels crappy. You are definitely a space cadet and so not productive. Anytime a girl walks by you gag because her perfume reminds you of the random gin shots you did with your alcoholic friends after the bouncer kicked you out at 1:45 a.m.
Life would be better right now if you were in your bed with a dozen donuts and a litre of coke watching Breakfast Time TV. You've had 4 cups of coffee, a gallon of water, 2 Sausage Rolls and a litre of diet coke yet you haven't peed once.
4 star hangover * * * *
You have lost the will to live. Your head is throbbing and you can't speak too quickly or else you might honk. Your boss has already lambasted you for being late and has given you a lecture for reeking of booze. You wore nice clothes, but that can't hide the fact that you either missed an oh-so crucial spot shaving or it looks like you put your make-up on while riding the dodgems, depending on your gender.
Your teeth have sweaters, your eyes look like one big vein and your
hairstyle makes you look like a reject from the class picture circa 1976. You would give a weeks pay for one of the following -
Home-time, a duvet and somewhere to be alone, a time-machine so you could go back and NOT have gone out the night before.
5 star hangover * * * * *
You have a second heartbeat in your head, which is actually annoying the employee who sits next to you. Vodka vapour is seeping out of every pore and making you dizzy. You still have toothpaste crust in the corners of your mouth from brushing your teeth. Your body has lost the ability to generate saliva, so your tongue is suffocating you.
You'd cry but that would take the last of the moisture left in your body. Death seems pretty good right now. Your boss doesn't even get mad at you and your co-workers think that your dog just died because you look so pathetic. You should have called-in sick because, let's face it, all you can manage to do is breathe... very gently.
6 star hangover * * * * * *
You arrive home and climb into bed. Sleep comes instantly, as you were fighting it all the way home in the taxi. You get about 2 hours sleep and the noises inside your head wake you up. You notice that you bed has been cleared for take off and is flying relentlessly around the room. No matter what you do you know you're going to chuck.
You stumble out of bed and now find that your room is in a yacht under full sail. After walking along the skirting boards on alternating walls knocking off all the pictures, you find the toilet. If you are lucky you will remember to lift the lid before you spontaneously explode and wake the whole house up with your impersonation of walrus mating
calls. You sit there on the floor in your undies, cuddling the only friend in the world you have left (the toilet), randomly continuing to make the walrus noises, spitting and farting.Help usually comes at this stage, even if it is short lived. Tears stream down your face and your abdomen hurts. Help now turns into abuse and it usually goes back to bed leaving you there in the dark. With your stomach totally empty, your spontaneous eruptions have died back to 15-minute intervals, but your body won't relent. You are convinced that you are starting to turn yourself inside out and swear that you saw your brain come out your mouth on the last occasion. You lie there cold and shivering, with eruptions now occurring at 1 hour intervals.
It is now dawn and you pass your disgusted partner getting up for the day as you try to climb into bed. She/he abuses you again for trying to get into bed with lumpy bits of dried vomit in your hair. You reluctantly accept his/her advice and have a shower.
You finally feel well enough to eat again on the following day, with the mention of alcohol making your stomach churn. This effect of sight or smell of alcohol making your stomach churn lasts for a week and publicly you vow never to do it again.....
Happy Labor Day Weekend
Peace - LL
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Madame Blavatsky / Theosophy / Krishnamurti
by Larry ini recently read nikita's story and she mentioned that she briefly came across the religion of theosophy in her travels towards of dub-ism @ a young age (thanks nitkita :) .
her post reminded me of my studies of madame blavatsky, colonel olcott, annie besant, cw leadbeater, etc., the founders of theosophy.
a book i recommend regarding madanme blavatsky is entitled "madame blavatsky's baboon - a history of the mystics, mediums, and misfits who brought spiritualism to america.
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I recently read Nikita's story and she mentioned that she briefly came across the religion of Theosophy in her travels towards of Dub-ism @ a young age (Thanks Nitkita :)
Her post reminded me of my studies of Madame Blavatsky, Colonel Olcott, Annie Besant, CW Leadbeater, etc., the founders of Theosophy. A book I recommend regarding Madanme Blavatsky is entitled "Madame Blavatsky's Baboon - A History of the Mystics, Mediums, and Misfits Who Brought Spiritualism to America."
Anyway, the best thing that came out of this movement IMO is a Eastern Philosopher who renounced his involved with the organization by the name of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Admittedly, he was no angel, but I found his philosophy amazing. I recommend one of his many books entitled "Think on Theses Things."
Is anyone else familiar with Krishnamurti, Madame Blavatsky or The Theosophy Society?
Last year I wrote an article for a local paper talking about Krishnamurti and Alternatives in Education. Here are some excerpts:
"Jiddu Krishnamurti views of education would definitively be considered radical if not impractical in virtually any society. However, when viewed with an open mind, his observations might be worthy of our attention. Listed below are some enlightening quotes from Krisnamurti concerning education:
"The ignorant man is not the unlearned, but he who does not know himself, and the learned man is stupid when he relies on books, on knowledge and on authority to give him understanding. Understanding comes only through self-knowledge, which is awareness of one's total psychological process. Thus education, in the true sense, is the understanding of oneself, for it is within each one of us that the whole of existence is gathered." - Krishnamurti from Education and The Significance of Life (1953)
"Our present education consist in telling us what to think, it does not teach us how to think, how to penetrate, explore; and it is only when the teacher as well as the student knows how to think that the school is worthy of its name." - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)
"The moment you come to a conclusion as to what intelligence is, you cease to be intelligent. That is what most of the older people have done: they have come to conclusions. Therefore, they have ceased to be intelligent. So you have found out one thing right off: That an intelligent mind is one which is constantly learning, never concluding. " - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)
"So, it is a basic function of education to help you to find out what you really love to do, so that you can give your whole mind and heart to it, because that creates human dignity, that sweeps away mediocrity, the petty bourgeois mentality." - Ambition from Think on These Things (1964)
"You can learn from books, but that does not take you very far. A book can give you only what the author has to tell. But the learning that comes through self knowledge has no limit..." - Ambition from Think on These Things (1964)
"You see, most of us want an answer, we want to be told what it is all about, so we pick up a political or religious book, or we ask somebody to tell us; but no one can tell us, because life is not something which can be understood from a book, nor can its significance be gathered by following another, or though some form of prayer. You and I must understand it for ourselves." - An Open Mind from Think on These Things (1964)
"You know, if a teacher loves mathematics, or history, or whatever it is he teaches, then you also will love that subject, because love of something communicates itself...If a musician loves to sing and his whole being is in it, doesnt that feeling communicate itself to you who are listening?...But most educators dont love their subject; it has become a bore to them, a routine through which they have to go in order to earn a living. If your teachers really loved to teach, do you know what would happen to you? You would be extraordinary human beings." - Equality and Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)
"... The teacher is the most important person in a school, for on her or him depends the future welfare of mankind. This is not a mere verbal statement. This is an absolute and irrevocable fact. Only when the educator himself feels the dignity and the respect implicit in his work, will he be aware that teaching is the highest calling, greater than that of the politician, greater than the princes of the world. The writer means every word of this, and so please do not brush it aside as exaggeration or an attempt to make you feel a false importance. You and the students must flower together in goodness." - Letters to the Schools, Vol I
"But, you see, all the modern techniques and inventions are being used either for war, or merely for amusement, as a means of escape from oneself, and so the mind gets lost in gadgets. Modern education has become the cultivation of gadgets, the mechanical devices or machines which help you to cook, to clean, to iron, to calculate and do various other essential things, so that you dont have to think about them all the time. And you should have these gadgets, not to get lost in gadgetry, but to free your mind to do something totally different." - The Need To Be Alone from Think on These Things (1964)
"You see, when you are young you have abounding energy - energy that makes you want to skip over the hills, reach for the starts. Then, society steps in and tells you to hold that energy within the walls of the prison which it call respectability. Through education, though every form of sanction and control, that energy is gradually crushed out. But you need more energy, not less, because without immense energy you will never find out what is true. - To Seek God from Think on These Things (1964)
"Have you not noticed that your parents and teachers tell you that you must amount to something in life, that you must be successful like your uncle or your grandfather?...The function of education, then is to help you from childhood not to imitate anybody, but to be yourself all the time...To be yourself is very difficult, because you think that what you are is ignoble, and that if you could only change what you are into something noble it would be marvelous; but that never happens. Whereas, if you look at what you actually are and understand it, then in that very understanding there is a transformation...You see, you are not educated for this; your education encourages you to become something or other - but that is not the understanding of yourself." - The Problem of Freedom from Think on These Things (1964)"
Peace and Security - LL
Edited by - Larry on 1 September 2002 10:32:54
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll for Father's Day (#18)
by ozziepost inyes, on this special day downunder, it's father's day.
families have been gathering, cemetery visits made to place flowers on graves, children giving touching notes of affection.
and it's the first day of spring here in aussie!
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2 and 8.
Peace - LL
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Time to Fly Away
by DJ inhello xjw's:.
i am writing this because i want to say so long.....i have only been around here for 3 mos.
it is definately time to leave, as i have spent my summer here and it's time to hit the beach one last time.
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Take care - Wish ya the best.
This part of your post stood out in my mind "I do not find this forum to be a place to resolve anger, rather it is what holds it together." Interesting - something to ponder.
Peace - LL
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Can anyone recommend books?
by ballistic ini read crisis of c, now what?
actually doesn't have to be about the dubs - i think i may over-load on dub-doom if i read anymore witness business.
anyone recommend something else.
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2 many books 2 little time, but here's two: Fountain Head and Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand books are incredible!
Peace - LL
Edited by - Larry on 1 September 2002 9:4:24
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MOST PEOPLE NEVER REALLY CHANGE
by minimus inmost people never really change!
our personalities, whether we are active witnesses or are inactive ones, apostates or almost apostates, are the same.
if we tend to rant here on this board, the probability is we were ranters elsewhere.
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Larry
Interesting - I love these cranium questions :)
I think we basically don't change after a certain point - What changes constantly is our circumstances and our level of courage. Circumstances presents an opportunity to have courage to act out our real desires. People may say we changed, but we always had it in us - It just took the right circumstances and courage for it to manifest itself.
Peace - LL