Posts by Larsguy

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Need your help with a little research!!!

by cecil in

i have found something interesting in the danish new world translation of the holy scriptures.

and i would like to know, how the other nw-translations render the same verse.. it's the "famous" words in jeremiah 29:10, which in the nwt's rendering usually (at least as far as i know) seem to depict and strengthen the seventy years as a period of captivity, instead of servitude under babylonian supremacy!.

english.

Larsguy

>....they were estimated to have been from the period just after the fall of babylon. But perhaps that's not a good time to be copying.....

Sorry, this is your imagination and not correct. The tablets actually state when they were copied. One tablet was recorded in the 22nd year of Darius, which would be Darius II. Even the Insight Book I believe addresses this. If you look up this information in that volume regarding these tablets I believe they claim the writing can be consistent with all the way as late as the end of the Persian Period. But for some of them we don't have to guess or estimate when the tablets were copied. Some of there copied near the end of the reign of Darius II.

Now...once you understand the REALITY of the reason for the copying, which would be for the purpose of revision, you know there is no way these would have been revised until after the reason for the conspiracy to correct these documents took place, which would have been several years after the 14th year of Artaxerxes at the very latest.

Anyway, the Bible contradicts these tablets specifically.

1. It gives a 6-year rule to Darius the Mede preceding the 1st of Cyrus, which these tablets ignore.

2. The Bible indicates the 11th year of Zedekiah was the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar and thus an 8-year difference. Thus the 37th year of Jehoiachin when he was realized (same year as Zedekiah's reign) would also be an 8-year difference meaning Nebuchadnezzar rule for 45 years and not 43 years. So we know on that basis these tablets were revised.

But just remember, anything that was "copied" has to be suspected of being a revision automatically.

In addition, the astronomical texts directly supporting this chronology do in deed reference the specific years of the current chronology, but ingeniously uses similarities in the original chronology to double-date these events, thus more than one date is extractable from both the VAT4956 and the SK400 and both align up with the same rule of Nebuchadnezzar which would date his 19th year in 529BCE. This is totally astronomical and totally independent of everything else. But when you add 74 years to get to the 1st of Cyrus, you end up in 455BCE, the date the Bible would have begun the 483 years until the Messiah (69 weeks) which would have occurred in 29CE. So at this point, there really is no choice about what happened and why there are these discrepancies.

Please also note that Josephus very much aligns his chronology with that of the Bible and claims a 70-year desert period beginning with the last deportation as the Bible does, thus 74 years from the fall of Jerusalem until the 1st of Cyrus. So there is secular chronology directly conflicting these tablets, but supporting the Bible. Which one is correct or likely correct is where the debate is.

But the recent evidence NOW makes it all to plain what the original chronology was, so it's just incompetent now not to recognize that 586BCE is a fraudulent, revised date.

LG

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Need your help with a little research!!!

by cecil in

i have found something interesting in the danish new world translation of the holy scriptures.

and i would like to know, how the other nw-translations render the same verse.. it's the "famous" words in jeremiah 29:10, which in the nwt's rendering usually (at least as far as i know) seem to depict and strengthen the seventy years as a period of captivity, instead of servitude under babylonian supremacy!.

english.

Larsguy

The quote below is from your own reference and confirms these are COPIED DOCUMENTS. Has it occurred to you that the reason they were "copied" was so they could revise this section of history? So how is it they are so reliable?

Anyway, the Bible contradicts the specific chronology of the chronicles so we know they were revised. For instance, Nebuchadnezzar per the Bible really ruled for 45 years and not 43.

Basically, 26 years were reduced from the Neo-Babylonian period and 2 years taken from the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, 16 years from Evil-Merodach, 2 years from Nabonidus and all of the 6-year rule of "Darius the Mede".

So have fun believing what you want about ancient chronology, but the Bible has a different chronology and history and so does Josephus who claims a 70-year desolation period beginning the 23rd year!! (Ant. 11.1.1). So the chronicles are definitely challenged and contradicted by both the Bible and other sources.

It's a mess though! Thanks for posting this.

LG

'Of all the known ancient historical records, the Babylonian Chronicles are considered one of the most reliable and objective. {2} Yet, these tablets are not original Babylonian records, but are instead duplicates which, "presumably were copied during the Persian period from older documents, which were compiled from the official annals of the Babylonian kings." {3} The reason these duplicates were created is unknown, though it is speculated that they were "notes to aid an inquiry on behalf of the Chaldaean of Achaemenid kings for which a knowledge of the history was required." {4}

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Genesis: Waters and Expanse

by dreamer in

just a little niggle i have:.

in genesis 1:6-10 it talk of how the 'waters' were divided into upper and lower with an expanse in between.

this expanse became known as 'heaven', the waters underneath the heaven became the foundation of earth.

Larsguy

Well here's my 2 cents.

The water above the expanse was condensed and then became FROZEN into solid ice. Other scriptures confirm it was like rock and was hard, thus the earth was surrounded by a clear ice bubble and that explains how there was a hot-house effect on the earth.

But then at the time of the Flood this ice sheet was melted. Remember there was darkness for 7 days before the flood started, thus likely this was the conversion of the ice into dense clouds which after finally becoming melted began to rain down on the earth, but it was so much water that it covered the highest mountains.

But then, "winds" were used to dissipate the waters back into outer space. These winds could have taken the form of "waterspouts" which funneled the majority of the water back into outer space until the water drained off the land. Also the Bible says the floodgates underneath the earth were released, thus likely there was some contraction of underground vaults that forced water onto the surface of the ground as well, thus some of the water returned into this underground water cisterns after the flood as well most likely.

Anyway, after the ice canopy was no more, the hot-house effect ceased and that is when seasons began and the system we have now of evaporation of water off the oceans and rain upon the dry land. Before that, everything was watered from underneath the ground.

That's my best explanation according to the Bible.

LG

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

Larsguy

Dear Francois,
The Bible says that "nobody knows the DAY nor HOUR" but it doesn't say the month or year would not be prophesied. The Bible implies the year of the second coming in both the "1335 days" prophecy and the "7 times" prophecy.

So you're just another jive disbeliever, obviously, who hasn't done their homework and just don't like us believers enjoying our fantasies.

Besides, that statement was made about the second coming and not Armageddon. It is true that that date, Armageddon is left in God's own discretion.

The problem with you Bible critics is you presume to understand the Bible but don't, then misinterpret it, misread it and misquote it and then find your own problems with those errors, as in this case.

Even so, we Bible thumpers don't have to thump so heavily now since many of the prophesies for the last generation, which ended in 1994 have been fulfilled, including the second coming which occurred in 1992!!! So we have less to talk about what MIGHT happen since we are in on what really did happen.

LG

Cheerio

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

Larsguy

After re-reading these passages, it would be consistent with the facts if this worship of the beast was in the form of worship of men and manmade institutions, including organized religion or those claiming to have special knowledge from God, etc.

The beast operates for "42 months" in a specific way but the death stroke is received during World War II when Nazi Germany is defeated. Therefore, these "42 months" or 1260 days relates to the same 1260 days applied to the operation of the fourth beast mentioned in Daniel, only they are 1260 years. This would clearly relate to the Catholic Church, who definitely is a primary believer in the trinity doctrine, and the influence of Catholicism by Jewish mysticism and the pagan practices of the mysteries.

The critical issue which more or less begins the 1260 years is the corruption of the Passover celebration as an annual celebration on Nisan 14th. This practice finally was demolished by the Catholic church around 736 AD, instituting the pagan practice of Easter Sunday, that is, celebrating the resurrection of Christ, allegedly, on the first Sunday following the first full moon after spring instead of celebrating it on Nisan 14th on an annual basis. This would relate to the "removal of the constant" feature for the 2300 evenings and mornings until a new organization, one designated as the "temple" organization would reappear. Significant for this temple being "in its right condition" would be the reestablishment and understanding of the annual Passover held on Nisan 14th in remembrance of their Lord.

So the International Bible Students did indeed have this practice down earlier than the end of those 2300 evenings and mornings way back in 1874.

The 2300 evenings and mornings are calculated by making each evening and morning a single day, thus cut 2300 in half to get 1150. Thus the period is 1150 years out of 1260 years. Subtract 1150 from 1260 and you get 110 years. Thus the "temple" organization would be recognized and operate for a special purpose for the last 110 years of this 1260-year period.

Usually something significant happens to mark these years. Since the series of 70 weeks, or 490 years each added up until our day starting with 36CE end up in 1996, we consider the end of that covenant period to end in 1996. Thus we subtract the 110 years from 1996 to get 1886 and compare that to what was going on with the Bible Students and that was the year the first "Studies in the Scriptures" came out, which volumes became the foundation of a new faith and religion which eventually became Jehovah's Witnesses, the recognized temple organization.

So there is kind of an overlapping mesh between Babylon the Great mysticism and Christendom which has adopted a lot of mysteries practices and become corrupted by it. So it would seem the practice of worship of man, and in particular the accomplishments of educated men, and the accomplishments of European men or the religions they set up is a partof the mark of the beast.

Certainly, within the witness organization, they are worshipping the Governing Body which has made itself a God. So culture worship, or charismatic leader worship, the worship of men and their knowledge instead of the Bible would cover having the mark of the beast for both those in Christendom and within the organization if worshipping the beast and receiving the mark is something inspired by the witness apostate leadership. The sin of JWs is worship of the Governing Body who are men claiming to special.

This is consistent with the "666" being a man's number, that is, worship of mankind and their accomplishments, with a focus on religious leaders and European men who have amazed the world with advancements in technology and knowledge, etc.

Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the comments.

LG

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

Larsguy

Dear Larc and Francois,
You folks can laugh all you want to. The Bible says: "This is wisdom..." a reference to Jesus. "Let him that has understanding calculate the number..." which could be an indication that the Messiah would be the one during the last days after his arrival to reveal the secret of the number.

So there could be lots of interpretations of the number, but it is HIS interpretation revealed to the anointed eagle class (i.e. the woman with eagle wings whose place is in the "wilderness", or meaning an underground organization) that matters. I'm just providing that version of how you can calculate the number.

But regardless of whether you accept that or not, the fact that this beast comes out of the sea proves it is representative of Christendom and the fact that the Lamb-Dragon beast comes out of the "earth" proves it is the beast from spiritual Israel, meaning associated with anointed ones of Jehovah's witnesses.

So my explanation needed only to make sense or harmonize with this identity of the beast as Christendom, that harmonization simply basically meaning this beast would be marked by belief in the false trinity doctrine as a primary doctrine, which is true of Christendom, and that the nations of Christendom would tend to be white supremacists, either intellectually or in practice, the chief example of which was German Christians during the Nazi era who became the "disgusting thing...causing desolation" of of the Jews, but also fulfilled a specific focus on Jehovah's witnesses who were also targeted by Hitler.

So this is knowledge provided and insight here. You can either pay attention to it, or go by your own beliefs and be WRONG. Those are your choices. (smile)

LG

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

Larsguy

Scorpion:
First-born means just that, the first one born. But since the first-born had preeminent rank over later ones, it was associated with the usual highest rank and other birthrights. Of note, Jacob bought the birthright from Esau, etc.

So the context must be considered when making this reference. It is clear from Psalms that Jehovah was going to cause David to usurp his brothers and have the preeminence as a king as if he were the firstborn, legally.

Thus being firstborn can be literal or arranged;it depends upon context.

In the case of Jesus, though, we know he was the very first one born, and given preeminence because he is also called the ONLY-BEGOTTEN, which makes him not only unique but the firstborn of all creation, so in his case, he was actually the firstborn, the "beginnings of the creation of God."

Thanks for this reference.

LG

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

Larsguy

Hi Spinner: Thanks for your comment; however, this beast must be identified. It comes out of the "sea" and thus it represents Christendom's leaders. The "Lamb-Dragon" beast comes out of the earth and thus represents the leadership of apostate spiritual Isreal, meaning the GB of JWs. They work in concert, however, as the composite anti-Christ. Thus the "man" must be the 'man of lawlessness" who is the composite Anti-Christ it would seem.

The number also is the NAME of the beast and so the Bible says someone with insight will calculate the number of the name.

Rev 13:18 says: "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

A name must use letters, thus the number and the name are connected. In this case, all three numbers are the same and they are three, just like the trinity. The trinity doctrine is the primary false doctrine of Christendom and that formula is 3=1.

The simple formula for calculating the number into the name is to add up the sum of the three numbers which is 18 and then add in the number of the digits, which is 3, to get a new number, 21, and then apply that to the Jewish alphabet which can be found in the Psalms, such as 111. But instead of adding three to 18, since all numbers are the same, that is, three numbers are really one number, like the trinity says three gods are one god, we add one.

The Hebrew alphabet choices are thus either SSS or KKK.

We then have to see if this has significance to the beast itself. Obviously, you can't have a white supremacist beast unless it has made it's mark in white supremacy, which it has since Germany is the head that received the death stroke and revived. Plus this is a focus since this head would be the "disgusting thing in a holy place that causes desolation" that is, the Nazis are the ones who invaded Poland, where the Jews were and devasted them during the HOLOCAUST. Their primary doctrine was that of Aryan supremacy.

But in general, as I said, the "great men" of the world who are celebrated, particularly Martin Luther King and Gandhi and even Abraham Lincoln, and to a lesser extent but still pertinent, Mandella, are all celebrated because of fighting against white supremacist ideas. This is the result of European imperialism and concepts of racism. So Christendom as a whole, being primarily the religion of the Europeans can generally be said to be characteristically an oppressive society which puts Europeans above other races and these are supposed to be practicing Christians. But they are not.

So you can't say a major problem with the Euro-Christianity has been their holding onto ideas of being separate and superior to other races. And there are many examples of that.

And again, just the idea that a law was made with respect to "civil rights" and even "affirmative action" recognizes the reality of the control over commerce and white-Christian preferences in the society to the extent that those not having this "mark" cannot buy or sell.

So we know the 666-Beast is Christendom and the head that received the death stroke Germany, since this head would revive and it has. Germany revived and now has the strongest economy, etc.

So, the shoe fits and I believe this is the appropriate inference here and meaning. Thus the "mark" would be those catering to or actively promoting Eurocentricism or Aryan supremacy in the world which would exclude them from God's kingdom.

Just my 2 cents.

As far as the sabbath laws go...note that Jesus broke the Sabbath laws all the time to do healing, etc. Thus the greater fulfillment of the sabbath takes precendence over the Law Code which was replaced when Jesus fulfilled it. Thus believing upon Jesus will allow you to celebrate the great sabbath of the millennium and thus allow you to keep the sabbath. The sabbath means desisting from worldly ways and turning to God, making every day of your life a sabbath.

In addition, some scriptures in the NT talk about not paying attention to dates so there is a firm belief that the sabbath laws were abolished after Christ came as far as keeping them, as were the animal sacrifices and many other things. We must recognize the spiritual sabbath and it's meaning now.

My other 2 cents...(smile).

LG

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

Larsguy

The mark of the beast, which is also it's "name" is related to the practice of white supremacy within Christendom, unfortunately.

The 666 relates to the trinity doctrine which basically says three gods are one god. Note that all three numbers are all one number, six.

The way you calculate the NAME is by substituting the three sixes for the appropriate Jewish letters which you can find at Psalms 111!!

What you do is simply add up the three sixes to make 18 and then add the number of digits to 18, which would ordinarily be 3 to make 21. Then you substitute the 21st letter for all the numbers which would be "SSS".

However, since the trinity doctrine mystery has to do with three equals one, you don't add 3 to 18 but just 1 to 18 and thus you get 19. You thus substitute the 19th letter of the Hebrew alphabet for the three sixes to see if the name has any modern significance. That 19th leter is "koph" and thus you get "K-K-K", the known initials for white supremacy.

But does that make any sense for the name of this beast?

A long story, but yes! Don't forget one of these heads of the beast received a death stroke and than much is focussed on the Jews, God's chosen people, and that context. The "disgusting thing causing desolation" therefore is a key focus of what this beast is about. Thus, in a nutshell, it was Christian Nazis who destroyed the Jews during the HOLOCAUST, and the Nazi primary doctrine was one of white supremacy.

So getting back to the mark of the beast. That mark would have to do with active or passive acknowledgement of white supremacist or Eurocentric beliefs which predominate our society today.

When it speaks of anyone not being able to sell or do trade without the mark, it relates to white preferences in businesses, etc. This is clear since some laws have been passed such as in America dealing with this phenomena.

For instance, without Civil Rights laws, certain non-whites could not stay in certain hotels or eat in certain restaurants. There were laws forbidding mixed marriages. And "Affirmative Action" was seen to be needed because of the practice of white preferences in business and schooling, etc. Even the "heros" of today's world, such as Martin Luther King, Gandhi and Mandella all became famous for speaking out against Eurocentric and white supremacist concepts and practices among Christian nations, etc.

So, the shoe fits. Christianity, Europeans and racism seems to have gone hand-in-hand and thus has controlled the modern world, particularly in terms of business. Thus the "mark" would be related to those ideas of racial superiority and preferences among Europeans and accepting certain beliefs and concepts in that regard.

Case in point, even evolution suggests the most advanced form of humanity is that of the Aryan nations, the blond and blue-eyed, whereas lower forms of humanity are the mongoloid and negroid races, etc.

Thus anyone who caters to concepts of Euro-superiority ideas would have the mark of the beast, whether on their forehead, meaning they accept the concepts of racial superiority, or on their hand, meaning they actually practice Eurocentricity, and thus they would be excluded from the kingdom.

Thus anyone with any racist ideas mixed in with their Christianity will be rejected by the Messiah at his second coming, whether they accept Jesus or not. Apparently racism is a key with for the Creator and he is bitterly opposed to it and intends to aggressively exclude racists from the kingdom.

Thus, the "mark of the beast" is white supremacy, passive or active, basically.

That's the advanced truth. I know this will be controverted, but that's expected. I don't have a defense beyond this observation; I'm just reporting what the advanced JIOR interpretation is. Everyone has their own belief. But it was white supremacy which destroyed the Jews so that's where the definition would start. The 666-Beast represents Christendom and it's acceptance and practice of white racism throughout modern times.

An unfortunate reality and a touchy subject, of course. But that's it.

LG

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

Larsguy

AGuest,
Sorry you are finding technical problems with the Messiahship claims. But this is the way it is. I'm the Messiah and that's that. This has been confirmed by the "sign of the son of man" reappearing in 1999.

If you have problems with any of my views or with me, I suggest you take it up with your "Master".

The promised Messiah of Scripture was to appear in the flesh between November 30, 1992 and April 6, 1993 in the form of an Ethiopian eunuch, anointed JW. If you have an alternative Messiah that meets those qualifications then I suggest you check him out. Otherwise your are in error, Biblically. That's just way it is. Sorry.

LG