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lauralisa
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JW & SUICIDE CASES
by bj ini need all cases that you know about.
if possible, names and dates.
if you have newspaper articles, photos, court cases, web-reference, would be glad to learn about them.
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Do you know how fast the world is changing?
by Mindchild inwhile you were sleeping the world is changing in very unusual ways.. do you think that you have been doing a good job keeping up with new discoveries that may change your life?.
here are just three things i pulled out of the news just on the topic of food and gardening that happened in the last month that might surprise you.. 1. scientists have discovered how to make delicious steaks without killing any animals.
this will soon be going into commercial use and may radically affect the worldwide meat industry.
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lauralisa
You can detoxify your body.
First, determine your "personal cleansing deadline".
Then, consume detoxifying products which have the power to bring you into the "Detoxify Zone". After a one-hour period, you then have a five-hour window in which toxin levels are "reduced" to a desireable level.
Your toxin level will unfortunately resume its prior levels of unpreferred status after the five hours, however.
For those pesky "external" toxins, you can shave your head.
lauralisa, aiding in the pursuit of freedom and control
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Education Survey
by larc ineducation was strongly discouraged among the witnesses.
i am curious as to how many of you went on for further education and in what fields.
i will go ahead and list the ones i already know.. larc - advanced degrees in organizational psychology.
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lauralisa
Dana:
I graduated in 1980 and stayed in Tampa for several years - now live in Baltimore, MD.
LOL about the walking..... I rode at least two bikes into the ground in four years. There used to be a "bike fix-up" place somewhere on campus.... the concerts were awesome (Supertramp, Renaissance, the Outlaws, Warren Zevon); every week there were free lectures/discussion groups/movies on every subject under the sun. Every friday we'd start at around 2 pm: Busch Gardens for six free beers (year pass was $20; three free-beer stops inside with 2-beer limit); then off to "Slappy hour" at the Keg (still there?) with live local music and more beer... then usually pass out time. Uh, yeah, I was a party girl. Way before borgdom.
Sorry for the thread intrusion got carried away.... Dana e-mail me if you wish! I'd love to know if certain faculty are still there.
smiles, lauralisa
It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)
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Here's a crazy thought
by JBean inin reading recent threads from scumgrief and yoyo... they are happy and active and are defending the organization.
i just had a thought of what jesus said that in coming to him and the truth, one might lose brothers or sisters or mothers, etc., but in doing so, they would gain him and an abundance of other "family".
(paraphrased of course!
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lauralisa
Hi JBean,
What an insightful question... and very good point.
Now, when someone becomes a JW, they don't necessarily lose a family member or friends......... but they are usually (may happen in some cases) never shunned.
My mother disowned me after I'd been a JW for about a year. So yes, situations like that happen. But she was also an insane, hateful, manipulative, unbalanced bitch; she could have disowned me for any reason.
The point is that my "loss" was NOT due to my (then)-JW religious convictions or having to choose between Jesus and my mother. I've known a far greater number of people of OTHER religious faiths (Catholic, Judaism) NOT JW's - who have experienced this kind of shunning. For example, their marrying someone who wouldn't nominally convert to their faith.
These egregiously selfish, hateful shunning/ disowning tactics were blatant attempts to bully my friends into submission. I did not see any "love" behind their parents' behavior nor concern about their child's well-being. Further, there was no concern whatsoever as to whether the required "conversion" was genuine or sincere; a technical registration process was sufficient..... such technicalities afforded the parents' continued "approved" status within their own local religious community though.
I wish there was more we could do to call borgians on the REAL motives behind their shunning policies which are consistent with the above examples..... I'm remembering ladonna's recent experience now...... so gut-wrenching and so incomprehensively evil in its criminal, murderous intent.......
Fred Hall, you are actually so much absurd entertainment that I can't help but like your posts, but a typical response from you would be the perfect illustration of why it's difficult for most active JW's to admit what's REALLY behind the shunning policy. If you read this, what do you have to say to JBean?
lauralisa
What price... to pay... for bad wisdom... Suzanne Vega
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JW & SUICIDE CASES
by bj ini need all cases that you know about.
if possible, names and dates.
if you have newspaper articles, photos, court cases, web-reference, would be glad to learn about them.
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lauralisa
Hello Joe,
I'm personally familiar with several JW's who've committed suicide, one of which was my brother. Before going into all that though, I'm wondering why you are wanting such information. Is it for a professional research project, for example? Are you preparing for a lawsuit? I'd be willing to provide more information for you, but it would help me to know more about what context you need.
Warmly,
lauralisa
It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)
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Education Survey
by larc ineducation was strongly discouraged among the witnesses.
i am curious as to how many of you went on for further education and in what fields.
i will go ahead and list the ones i already know.. larc - advanced degrees in organizational psychology.
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lauralisa
Hi Larc,
I have a BA in Art history and painting, was working towards my Masters in Art History but never finished.
(DANA!!! I went to USF at Tampa! What a wonderful school!
But I was 31 when I was baptised. Your question prompted me to post because if I had continued as a witness, it would have definitely affected my attitude towards my two sons' educations. I remember feeling defensive and almost shameful -arrgh- when explaining (while crammed into a car with Sister Pioneer's "home-schooled" (yeah right..... "We get it all over with in just two hours!!!") Bethel-bound kids who radiated "learned helplessness" and suppressed rage) that my kids' father, who has a PhD in physics, expected them to excell in school and work towards admittance to a university....
My 12 yr old is in an advanced math and science program at a magnet school and was selected to participate in a separate county-sponsored gifted and talented thing for math wizards. My 14 year old just this fall auditioned for and was allowed to attend out of his "district" to attend a high school that emphasizes art and theatre. He wants to be an actor! He has a ponytail!!!!! I love it. On parent's night this fall, the evening commenced with a few numbers from the symphony orchestra. I started crying, embarrassing the crap out of my son, because it was breathtaking, the magical sounds coming from these very young kids.
Am I proud and happy for them or what? When I think of how I used to try and "protect" them from such "worldly" influences and time-consuming endeavors, my heart sinks.......
They complain all the time about their "stupid homework", but they are so happy and thriving.
Thanks for the nice first thing to do after making coffee and realizing wow I have a whole day off today, larc.
lauralisa
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Yankees come from 2 Down to lead....
by ISP inbut i think they can still lose in 7. they have to find a way to beat johnson and schilling.
i reckon they will lose...here's hoping!.
isp
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lauralisa
Ninty percent of all this is half-mental
It ain't over til it's over
If I didn't wake up I'd still be sleeping
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHA
lauralisa, who if she has to frame one more picture of Cal Ripken Jr will wear a Yogi mask to the nearest KH tomorrow
Also believing the Yanks will pull it up at the last second
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Been outta a hell of a long time and still bummed
by Mindchild insometimes i do a lot of thinking.. yeah, i know that is dangerous.
regardless, at times it seems that even though ive been out of the borg for a little over two decades now, gone through expensive therapy, had a long term relationship once with another ex-dub and spent 8 years in college, i still find my personal thinking effected in some negative ways by my being raised a jw.. for instance, i have a really difficult, if not impossible time, ever finding a community where i feel i belong.
ive lived everywhere from san francisco to cocoa beach on the opposite coast and no matter where i live, i feel like im an alien from another culture.
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lauralisa
Mindchild:
Your posts speak to me in a peculiarly-recognisible fashion. I'm wondering, in your years of therapy, have you investigated the recent research of trauma and its afteraffects?
I'm consistently able to reconcile so much of the anguish, ambivalence, family turmoil, ennui, et al that is presented by people on this board with the normal and typical physiological and mental responses that result from trauma (definition of trauma open to discussion...).
I personally believe that the losses that result from withdrawing from the WTBTS (and the resultant loss of faith in "Jehovah" and his glorious promises; loss of family, loss of generations of relatives, a lifetime of generic support systems, familiar behavioral patterns, etc etc etc) is a traumatic event. It takes tremendous courage and integrity to cut through the rhetoric and admit that you were deceived and abused by the people - and you really trusted these people - in fact you really, truly LOVE them - who claim to represent "God".
Most people who come to realize (because they are willing and able to balance intellect, reasoning ability and emotion) that they are being fed a continuous stream of crap which cannot withstand the slightest challenge without collapsing would understandably just maintain the status quo. The risk is SO great: become anathema to your entire family... ! become "dross" and "refuse" ! Oh, and a "traitor"! An "enemy of God"!!! Be unworthy of a simple act of kindness or even a simple prayer !!! Be unresurrectable!!!!!!
When the only crime was your being honest with yourself and refusing to perpetuate a fraudulent, conspicuously-obvious scheme.
I read a recently-published book a few months ago which illustrated well how traumatic events affect individuals and society at large: The Myth of Sanity by Martha Stout, PhD. She did a good job supporting the argument that one does not have to be a victim of war or rape or attempted homicide to be a survivor of trauma.... it can be a small event like people laughing at you when you lose your first tooth.....or not understanding when you put chemicals into toilets ! Nonetheless, traumatic events make their own contribution to the maze of life.
Sorry for the lag in responding to this thread. I don't have a whole lot of time to spend on-line. But I would be genuinely interested in your comments and thoughts and wonder if this subject is germane to your issues.
You're a trip btw
lauralisa
It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)
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If we were a congregation?
by joelbear inif the group here was a congregation, what role would each person here play?.
joel
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lauralisa
I'd be the "fringy" single sister who is accepted for her devotion to personal study, but not really taken seriously because I do not have aspirations of grandeur, goals to pioneer, impressive "numbers", no connections or relatives who can help anyone "move up" the status ladder, and stay out of the spotlight. People would work in service with me if they HAD to, but it wouldn't be their idea of fun, because I'd call them on stuff like idiotic gossipy remarks, inconsistencies between policy and reality, and the fact that everyone in the entire district is starting to look like each other!
I could stop attending meetings and no one would notice.
A few would try and "reach out" to me, but only if they could count it as "time". If I got sick, it would be because I was spiritually weak; people would bring me food and things that I couldn't use because they wouldn't have a clue about what I actually liked or could use......
(Sorry Joel!!! I'm reverting back to "then"... this is a cool thread topic.) Actually, I do feel rather inconsequential and invisible here. I guess it must work for me?
gotta goda work now...... urrg
lauralisa
It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)
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lauralisa
Leaving the [insert any noun here) in a better condition than before you visited
lauralisa
It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)