http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
In my opinion, loyalty oaths are halfway to treason. They hold adherence to their oaths above the good of the country. Signing a loyalty oath should immediately disqualify a candidate unless he or she rescinds. They are ridiculous. Talk about special interests! These deals are signed in blood. Morons.
The moderates and libertarians should detach themselves from the loonie tunes. They aren't welcome in the GOP, and they could drop the perpetual desire to shower after such contact.
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http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
Sammies--yes, very few ideas are new. They are just put together differently. Bachmann and her ilk can't accept that the founding fathers were, OH HORRORS, intellects that studied ancient philosophy.
I realize that a person's religious beliefs will influence how they serve, but this goes beyond that. They seek to hold political office to advance their political agenda. The reason that loon Bachmann can stand on her soapbox and declare we should default is because her social agenda dwarfs all else. Beware of Rick Perry too:
a friend told me recently that he isn't having much if anything ever to do again with his siblings, his spouse passed away, and yet none of his brothers and sisters have donated a dime to help with the funeral costs or anything else, the siblings didn't even send flowers to the funeral.
he is saing that's it, they have been written off of his list to ever help if and when they have this problem.
the siblings aren't even jdubs.
That happened to a woman I know. She is a witness and her brother is an elder. When their non-witness brother died, she had him cremated. She is on SSD and has absolutely no extra income. Her elder brother (who works) refuses to donate anything toward laying those ashes to rest. So she has her brother in a box. Lovely people.
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http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
Designs, the history is there. Instead of learning from the mistakes, they choose to rewrite it. It all makes me very tired.
http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
Conservatives are working toward decentralizing government, legislating christian values, and privatizing as much government as possible. Well we've already lived through an era like this--it's called THE DARK AGES. Conservatives long for the days of Manorialism and Feudlsm.
When Rome fell, strong central government fell with it. This left Europe to fend for itself. The only stable institution was the church. So nobles picked up where government left off.
Feudalism: Involved nobles only, as they were the only ones that counted. Nobles maintained their own military and strenghthened it by a series of convoluted agreements with other nobles. They would pledge protection to each other. These agreements were quite extensive and many nobles would sign onto many contracts. If interests collided, and a noble was obligated to offer support to feuding nobles at the same time, well he was in a pickle. He was obligated to both, and not upholding his agreement to either made him an outcast, because these agreements were confirmed in the glorious christian church. He bacame a black knight.
The nobles were also tasked with fixing the roads, as there was no central government to provide the service. PRIVITIZATION at it's finest.
Manorialism: The noble had a manor and farmland. The peasants worked the land as indentured servants--who in practice were no more than slaves. They were completely dependent on their noble for ovens, brewery, blacksmiths, every service they couldn't fullfill in their tiny little cottages. Every service had a charge, and the noble kept track of every little coin. Peasants could never work off their debt to the noble, and were chained for generations.
And everyone had to stay good with the church. Yes--this is the conservative view of how the world should be. Bachmann is the nobility and the rest of us can work our lives away with no hope of advancement, enslaving our children. Wages are low. No unions. No voice. praisejesus.
I don't want to live in a world like this. The christian vision with all those values makes my blood run cold. It never used to worry me, except these loons are gaining traction. Yes there are social liberals/fiscal conservatives in the mix, but Ron Paul will never be president. Libertarians are so much about personal freedom, yet they support a party that seeks to destroy their freedom. But they go that way because they are fiscal conservatives. Yayyy libertarians---you won't have to pay taxes or protect the environment---but you get to go to a christian church approved by the Perrys of this country and if you don't you will be miserable.
Welcome sunday laws. Welcome bigotry. But then, Rand Paul thinks the civil rights amendment went too far. He is outraged that *gasp* private businesses are not allowed to discriminate. What the f**k has american come to when you can't turn little black children away from the candy store? Oh god, what have we done????? We've stepped on the toes of most holy private business.
Slavery proponents were able to use the bible to support their views. Slavery opponents were also able to use the bible to support their views. The bible is wishy washy and weak that way. All wisdom found there can be found elsewhere. Jesus believed in slavery. The hebrew god believed in slavery. Is it shocking that slave women were raped by their white masters? It shouldn't be. It's all there in the OT. Raping a slave was no big deal. praisethelord.
The right can stand on a soapbox and tout their dirthy, filthy christian values, but I'm not buying it. Europeans were outraged that the Aztec ripped beating hearts out of the chests of their sacrifices. OUTRAGED. They much preferred to disembowel living humans. They preferred to burn generations of women and a few men alive on a stake. Yessssss---but not the heart. No, that would be heathen.
My greatest nightmare is that this country will be overtaken by christian values. As I've said before, I'm so grateful that god doesn't get to vote!
I'm going with the ancient Greek philosphers.
Yayyy Timmy. Almost over.
Three silly little men in silly little suits with silly little somber expressions. A silly little hippy that thinks playing with these silly little action figures makes one a man. LOL The whole idea is just ridiculous. Unless you'd like to play with them---preferably with a recording device.
Whether you go or not is no measure of "manhood" or womanhood---the measure is your motives for your actions. Both decisions can be courageous. You've made yours and now you move on. Don't worry yourself about some random anonymous person making silly little comments.
Party!!
http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
Sammies, the constitution is NOT a christian document. One could argue that it is "culturally" christian, but there is absolutely nothing in there about doing unto others and not casting stones or the good samaritan. So those are not actually relevent arguments. (Edit to say: Sammies, I know this wasn't your argument---I just was agreeing with some things you said and then diverged!)
It draws strongly from the Magna Carta, which in turn drew strongly on principals established in ancient Greece---PAGAN ancient Greece. The notion that all men were created equal was first advanced by PAGAN Greek philosopher Epicurus in the 4th century BCE. Thomas Jefferson considered himself a student of Epicurean philosophy and it made it into the Declaration of Independence.
He taught that happiness should be maximized and harm minimized. This led John Locke to argue that all people had a right to pursue life, liberty and property and this was reworked to say Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Since "property" was also considered to be one's own being, happiness was a natural evolution.
It's been a while since I learned this, but I still have my notes. I should pull them out and read them again, but this is what I remember and what I quickly googled to refresh some of it. One thing that really tires me are these claims that the founding fathers were Christians above all else. They were not. It is evidenced in their documents and their concern that the religious would try to impede government. Take a look at DC. PAGANISM EVERYWHERE.
The bible does NOT promote equality. That was a pagan idea carried over by our founding fathers. Check out the Magna Carta. It's a work of art.
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http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wins-gop-2012-test-vote-224544660.html.
minnesota rep. michele bachmann won a test vote of iowans on saturday, a show of strength five months before the state's caucuses kick off the gop presidential nominating season.. the result is the first indication of what iowans think of the field of republicans competing for the chance to challenge president barack obama next fall.
but it's hardly predictive of who will win the winter iowa contest, much less the party nod or the white house.. well... there goes the neighborhood....
I can't in any way support the "christian values" argument!
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my children's paternal grandmother (g) and great grandmother's (gg) racist attitudes.
i'm sorry but i really need to vent about this.... g was saying how she'd taken my son to the beach yesterday.
she parked away from the seafront so had to walk through the fairground to get to the beach.
Mum, she DOES know better. She is playing the innocent card to continue her bigotry. It's not a new game.
You and your son's friends will have the greatest impact here. I think it's safe to relax and just be very open with him. Discuss these things so he can prepare for the attacks---subtle as they are.
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my children's paternal grandmother (g) and great grandmother's (gg) racist attitudes.
i'm sorry but i really need to vent about this.... g was saying how she'd taken my son to the beach yesterday.
she parked away from the seafront so had to walk through the fairground to get to the beach.
I feel your pain mummatron. I can say that although my daughter was exposed to such ignorance, she followed my lead. Today she is a well-adjusted woman that isn't a racist. Your children will listen to your voice first.
Before my daughter started school, I actually talked to her about racism. Until that point, she hadn't been exposed to much, but I knew she would have to face it "out in the world---not the JW world". I actually had to tell her it existed first, so I could tell her why it was unacceptable. She got it. She already had a variety of friends from many backgrounds and races. That's all you can do.
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