He would shout, mockingly secure in his own power, "Either you endure sound doctrine when I preach it, or you don't hear it!"
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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It's not off-topic. We are discussing believers that accept evolution. I asked when, in our history, did humans receive a soul or spirit---you answered. Then you talked about a fall. As it relates to Evolution, how did this fall occur? Had we reached some point of perfection, through evolution, and then 'fall', because once such a concept is removed from a compact story in a garden, involving two humans, it becomes dodgy to define such a fall. Since you think that our flesh is corrupted in some sort of way, this definitely has an impact on our evolution. Since you have said that angels may have evolved, and the humans may also be evolving into something higher (?) that also is a statement of evolution----so it is dead on topic.
This doesn't need to be complicated. How did this fall happen? Just a few words on what you believe. Did it happen immediately after spirits were handed out---or did it come later after human populations immigrated and spread? And if so, did this take place over time? Or one day, did all the humans on earth just quit living up to potential? Take this story outside of the garden and spread it around the earth, and tell me how that worked.
You state things with such sureness, but when I ask for details, you keep slipping away. It's okay to say you simply accept it without really working out the details. I think that is a bad idea, but if you are trying to state the case, then it is fair to allow me to ask for the details. If you don't have them, then the argument crashes, but that's not really a problem, because you are still free to accept it. I just think that people who may be listening should understand that it it totally acceptable to ask for specifics.
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Should We Worship Jesus?
by Perry inthere is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
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I am, but theorized it had something to do with communion.
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Should We Worship Jesus?
by Perry inthere is one lord, one faith, one baptism.. jehovah and jesus are also both spoken of as savior.
this is true because even though there are two personalities, and jesus also possesses a human body, they both also share the same substance or essence of god.
this is similar to my son who shares 50% of my essence in dna.
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If Jesus has a body, then those are valid questions.
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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If you would like a recommendation of a good theology book, since that is what we are discussing when talking about the fall, angels and so forth, I can give you a few.
No. I don't want to read a book on theology. You have made some statements. I'm interested in how you, not a book, would answer some questions. Do you own these statements, or are you mimicking? Have you thought about them in detail? I don't want cut and pastes either. Are you willing to back up what you have said, with much certainty, or do you want to stop the discussion?
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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When we know what is right but do what is wrong, that is what the weakness of the flesh is.
No. That's weakness of the mind---where the decisions are being made.
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Dec.21st and the countdown to the Mayan Apocalypse
by designs indecember 21 marks the winter solstice and the end of a cycle called the 13th b'ak'tun.. 1.will we see a few who want to join the celestial parade ala those who wanted to hop on a comet a few years ago.. 2.should koolaid and vodka be banned dec. 20th.. 3.will the wt.
come out with an article making fun of those who 'falsely predict the end of the world' .
i'll take bets on #3.
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Is it just me, or does it feel like there is always a Mayan Apocalypse on the schedule?
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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“Oh, well, we knew all along that the neo-Darwinian mechanisms were inadequate!”--this, despite the public posturing that goes on now in the name of neo-Darwinism!
Not sure why you make this conclusion, as scientists adjust their views as knowledge is gained. The entire point of the scientific method is to prove a theory false. But regardless of what attitude will be displayed, it will not change the facts, so it is irrelevant. And even if we have some things wrong, it in no way supports creationism, which has been completely falsified.
Now, about this fall. What fall? How did it happen? Did one day, ALL humans with a spirit fall? I'm asking for details, and you are not addressing it directly. I'm asking you to reconstruct it. You sound pretty sure, so there must be details.
As to angels evolving. Is there a fossil record of this process? What is the evidence? Just where did the idea come from? Is there support beyond philosophizing? We can make any story up we want, but if we want it to be taken seriously, then more is needed.
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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No this is to misunderstand evolution, it has no target.
HAH! For ONCE I beat you to it, AND used less words than you! You will never forget this day, Cofty! 'Tis a highlight of my posting life. I am more evolved!
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Believers, do you believe in evolution?
by everchangingworld inafter leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.
they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.
critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.
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What is holding us back now is our "fallen nature" that is has nothing to do with us BEING HUman but that keeps us from being FULLY Human in the way God "created' Us to be.
I don't understand this statement. You said that at some point, humans received a spirit. Were they at some point of perfection? How did they reach such a point without a spirit? And then they fell? In what way? What have humans done to change their evolution so that they are not fully human in the way that God 'created' them to be---through evolution? Break this down. How does it work?