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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

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  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  What crime could be so great that entire populations of cities were designated for destruction? God told Moses that the nations that the Hebrew were replacing were wicked. How "wicked" were these people? The text tells us that they were burning their own sons and daughters in sacrifices to their gods. So we see that these people were not really innocent. For these reasons (and others), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed.

  I thought you said you were NOT justifying the killing of children. That's a lot of justification!

  Do I justify the killing of children? Of course not.

  So, the canaanites were extremely wicked because they killed their children, but the israelites were NOT wicked whey THEY killed canaanite children. So, god's response to humans killing their children was to actually order the killing of said children. But we are not justifying the killing of children. No, not at all. And yet, those children have wicked parents and so the children clearly are not innocent, so it is right to kill them. Not that we justify killing children. Some children will become suicide bombers, but MOST will not. But that is okay, kill them all because of who their parents are, but not justifying it, just saying.

  I'll stop now. I'm just so grateful that I don't have to harbor that kind of hate in order to justify, (i mean NOT justify) the actions of a hateful god that doesn't exist but validates my intolerance.

  I wish I could break through the cognitive dissonance, but I can't. I know that because I lived under that veil for many years myself. Unfortunately, it is hard to make my point without being a bit insulting. I understand why you need this, and I'm going to work on being more understanding.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  But here they are rationalizing away why the big guy kills babies and rapes women.

  Obviously you haven't been reading this thread closely or read the Bible. God never raped women nor sanctioned the rape of women. There were women that were raped and it was recorded in the Bible. That does n ot mena that God approved of it.

  you missed a part---the part about killing babies. He did do that. He didn't find even ONE righteous baby in all of sodom and gemorrah cuz as you said, god would have spared them. I'm not sure what your point is in saying that I and others don't know the bible. I studied it deeply for most of my life, before JW (with born-agains) and after. Not one thing that I said contradicts what is in the bible. But for some reason, you think I don't know what is written in the book. What do you base this on? Simply that I have concluded something differently than you have? If that is the case, then right back at ya. You came to the wrong conclusions, therefore, you do not know your bible as well as I know your bible.

  If we are created in god's image, and killing children is abhorrent to us, then why shouldn't we judge god to be a monster? We are in his image afterall. Your reasoning is deeply flawed, as is the god of the bible, but I understand why you cannot see that. I was there once too. In the end, I think most religious people are happy that they will be saved, and their concern for the rest of us in minimal. I for one could never be happy in heaven if my family were burning in hell. I couldn't be happy in paradise if I watched my family destroyed in armegeddon. I just can't get that jubilant over wholesale brutal killing. But then that is probably why I make a terrible Christian. I care too much.

  In the end, you can dance in the dust of my burning body, or slide around in my spilt entrails (pick your belief) as you celebrate your salvation. I'm going down with the ones I love.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
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  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  Like misery said earlier, in Sodom and Gomorrah (2 large cities) God could not find even 5 righteous people that deserved to be saved

  Maybe there were 4 or 3 or 2 or 1----there certainly were lots of children.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

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  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  Sort of sobering for us today, huh?

  No, it is not sobering, it is enlightening. It makes me understand how people feel justified in judging that others are unfit for life. In hating and killing in god's name, cuz afterall, entire regions can be damned. It makes me exceedingly joyful that I no longer believe in a hateful god that would base salvation on the luck of the draw as to where one is born.

  And you know, some of the Israellites had the same thought and did not devote everything to destruction. Do you know what happened? They fell to

  idolatry and false worship again and again.

  Maybe God's way was the best way after all

  Then again, maybe his way is deeply and permanently flawed. If he existed, I suppose he would have been able to choose a people with a bit more back bone than that. No, this god you speak of is all too human and full of mistakes. Even his chosen people couldn't follow the rules. He couldn't even strengthen them against idolatry. He demands that people come to love him, but them kills them before they get the chance. sobering? No. Hateful. Yes. Christianity is just another hate-filled religion.

  But I'm sure Christians can be joyful knowing that everyone else gets to burn, or gets destroyed, or whatever the take. As long as they are assured of their reward, all is well. Congnitive dissonance lives on, and life is good.
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  ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT DINOSAURS AREN'T MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD!

  by Mary in

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  yesterday, i went out for lunch with my parents when my mother made mention of something she had read in the newspaper about some new discovery of species that went extinct millions of years ago.

  she asked my father what method is used to determine the age of something, because of course, this flies directly in face of the biblical account of life on this planet being only a few thousand years old.. anyway, my father related a story that some brother he ran into recently at the assembly told him.

  this [unnamed] brother related a story told to him by another [unnamed] elder who knew an [unnamed] circuit serpent who was "really chummy with one of the [unnamed] executives at the royal ontario museum".

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  I'd be a little worried about what Anon looks like. LOL

  
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

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  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  It matters not how or when a person dies. It matters what a person's relationship to God is

  A couple of thoughts. By ending their lives, the god also ended any possibility that these people would come to an understanding of his message, and develop a good relationship with the god. No one preached to the canaanites before they were slaughtered. They weren't given a chance at all. And so, it is reasonable to conclude, that they died while their relationship with the god was not very good. It is amazing that god's perfect judgement could be perfectly applied to an entire region, not allowing for any within that region to be saved.

  Women and children were part of God's judgment in order to completely destroy the influence and Idolatry of the foreign nation.

  And so, because the message of love that the god preached could not stand on its own, women and children were slaughtered so as not to endanger the incredibly fragile faith of the chosen people. Remove the people, remove the influence, Israel is too stupid and weak to withstand another point of view.

  If you don't understand the Bible, then you won't understand the difference between the OT and the NT.

  I understand that Jesus quoted extensively from the OT. I understand that he was in complete agreement with the OT god. I understand that the only scriptures available to Jesus were the OT, and he was versed enough in them to have deep discussions with religious leaders when he was only 12. Sure, Jesus said let the children come to him, but he also praised his father for slaughtering children. If a person's eternal desitiny rests on him developing a relationship with the god, then how is it justice to cut that opportunity short?
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  "All generalizations are false, including this one."

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  the above mark twain quote made me think about some of the comments i heard this weekend during the watchtower study.

  several commentors alluded to the seeming ignorance of "wordly" people as regards bible knowledge.

  comments such as "people who go to churches don't know the bible like we do, so they may go to church and afterwards say that was a very good sermon.

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  I began to see stupid, ignorant Worldly People as human beings with their own strong faiths, opinions and educations (many of which are way more educated than I'll ever be).

  Isn't it exciting? Once I quit viewing worldlings as wicked and unenlightened, I met some very cool people. Interesting too, cuz they aren't all chanting the same monotonous opinions. I'm so glad to be part of this world now--good and bad. There is so much variety.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  Dan, what is your take on the children killed in the flood and at sodom and gomorrha? And if, like you say, children are assured a place in heaven, then the Chrisitian message remains...children are better off dead. Like what Sully's ex friend said, better the children should die now than face armegeddon later.

  So, with that reasoning, 90 percent of Asian children are better off dead, because they will never embrace Christianity because they were born in the wrong place, so better to get into Heaven young, than suffer in hell when old. The Christian message does not love life. It is full of death and suffering that extends to children. To pretend otherwise is just disingenous. A Christian's entire hope rests on his or her DEATH. Unless you are coming from a JW view, where a precious few won't suffer death. But for the majority, DEATH is where it is all at. And this life is pretty worthless, something to be endured, something inflicted on us. It's not the real life.

  The "Christian" message is no more happy than the "JW" message. In some respects it is much worse since at least JW's don't believe in hellfire.

  You love your bible. In it, god killed children. god killed babies. god killed people that had never heard his message. Apparently, the children were the lucky ones.

  Edit: and as far as the NT/OT arguments, the OT god is the one that begat Jesus, and Jesus was in complete agreement with his father, so we should not dismiss OT accounts if we are going to value NT accounts. Jesus loved everything his father did, including killing children.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  Babies in utero arent born yet. Cant count a chicken before its hatched. Holy spirit cleanses that fetus if the mother makes it . Born in a baptism of water.

  Unless it dies before it is born. Then it doesn't get a resurrection. Conclusion: Born beings future lives are important enough to warrant resurrection, unborn beings future lives are not considered at all, and therefore, abortion does not disrespect life.
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  If Armageddon came tomorrow, would Jehovah kill a billion children?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just looked up some population statistics.

  i saw there are over a billion children under the age of 10 on the earth today.

  (didn't research too hard - just googled it.

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  The only comparison that should be made in this case of children being executed at Armageddon is to the flood and Sodom & Gomorrah.

  Blondie, that is a valid point. I do remember reading that David's son, the dead baby, was not a candidate for resurrection because David and Bathsheba had no right to the child because they had committed adultery. No mention of how the babe might feel about that. Anyway, I'm searching the cd for that now, and can't find it. I'm pretty sure it's there because it bothered me. With that reasoning. think of all the people that would not be candidates for resurrection because their parents had no right to conceive them CHILLING