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JW's not a cult

by Lunatic Faith in

okay, before you fly off the handle--i wrote a blog on how my research proves jw's are a cult (no, i haven't read the cult book yet).

somebody linked their own findings onto my site saying the opposite.

their evidence is erroneous and as i don't have time to point this out i thought i would let you all do it for me.. www.epages.wordpress.com.

NewChapter

THANKS OM. Maybe I can trust myself a tiny bit. I've been happy there, and not nervous at all.

Troll: –noun 1. (inScandinavianfolklore)any of a race of supernatural beings, sometimes conceived as giants and sometimes as dwarfs, inhabiting caves or subterranean dwellings. 2.

Slang. a person who lives or sleeps in a park or under avia duct or bridge, as a bag lady or derelict.

Origin:
1610–20; < Old Norse troll demon True Christians should never aspire to be this magical creature. You're right Unshackled--but I just hope that spade is here for a better reason--yet it does encourage him/her.

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JW's not a cult

by Lunatic Faith in

okay, before you fly off the handle--i wrote a blog on how my research proves jw's are a cult (no, i haven't read the cult book yet).

somebody linked their own findings onto my site saying the opposite.

their evidence is erroneous and as i don't have time to point this out i thought i would let you all do it for me.. www.epages.wordpress.com.

NewChapter

Spade,

Are you a bible study? I think you should tell the Witnesses you study with how great you are at defending WTBTS on this board! That would do them proud. Unless I misread you---and you are baptized. If you are, perhaps next time you have the mic, you could tell the "friends" how hard you work on this board, trying to convince unrepentant apostates of the error of their ways. Since they are not a cult, you don't have to worry about being marked. They will welcome the outside information. They will respect your rights and trust your decision making capabilities.

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JW's not a cult

by Lunatic Faith in

okay, before you fly off the handle--i wrote a blog on how my research proves jw's are a cult (no, i haven't read the cult book yet).

somebody linked their own findings onto my site saying the opposite.

their evidence is erroneous and as i don't have time to point this out i thought i would let you all do it for me.. www.epages.wordpress.com.

NewChapter

Sebastious:

The video does get silly here and there, but I still don't see any "cult like" activity. I think the problem is that people want a quick answer to what you believe, but that's not so easy with UU, so they end up having to talk more.

I've never heard of anyone being "punished" for leaving, like JW's do. Nor do they try to block access to outside information--they actually embrace it. I'm just looking for something I don't know about them, NOW, before I have more at stake.

They actually honored doubters and atheists last Sunday-and they talked about encouraging serious questions. Something JW's would never do.

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I watched one of their youtube infomercials and they kind of creeped me out. They were so quick to glorify their "casual" way of life and spirituality. It

was a massive sales pitch and rubbed me the wrong way.

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JW's not a cult

by Lunatic Faith in

okay, before you fly off the handle--i wrote a blog on how my research proves jw's are a cult (no, i haven't read the cult book yet).

somebody linked their own findings onto my site saying the opposite.

their evidence is erroneous and as i don't have time to point this out i thought i would let you all do it for me.. www.epages.wordpress.com.

NewChapter

Scale of 1 - 10. 1 = Unitarian Universalists

Open Mind---you triggered my alarms. Are you saying that the UU's are a cult on the low end, or are you simply rating ALL religions on the scale? My question is sincere because I've recently started attending UU, and am enjoying the freedom. If you know something, I really want to hear it. I don't want to make the same mistake again! I'll never fully trust myself again---so SPILL.

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New Elder Book-Definition of Apostasy

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

apostasy: apostasy is a standing away from.

true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion,.

so now even people that fall away are considered apostates?

NewChapter

Can I get a copy?

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New Elder Book-Definition of Apostasy

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

apostasy: apostasy is a standing away from.

true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion,.

so now even people that fall away are considered apostates?

NewChapter

You wanna quit? Well, you can't; we're firing you!"

OH NO YOU DON'T You can't fire me. . . I QuIT

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New Elder Book-Definition of Apostasy

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

apostasy: apostasy is a standing away from.

true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion,.

so now even people that fall away are considered apostates?

NewChapter

As the GB get harder it seems more are waking up..............or is that wishful thinking on my part?

I wish I knew the answer to that. Vagueness keeps everyone insecure and wondering if they crossed the line, so they need to ask the elders. In this way, the elders know EVERYTHING you're up to. Did you kiss your boyfriend 3 times last night? Was that BRAZEN? You don't know! You have to ask. Now the elders know you were kissing your boyfriend last night---and now they will ask you what your intentions are. Do you plan to marry? Weren't you using a chaperone? There will no longer be ANY private moments.

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I Hate My Sister and Am Becoming "Seething and Hateful" Like She Says! Help!

by CrimsonBleu in

jw
friends

this isnt the first time i have posted about problems with one or more of my sisters.

but i need resolve:.

i am disassociated, and have been free for over 25 years.

NewChapter

Perhaps if you can't go to the elders, Sister B should. Isn't she obligated to do so---she has proof your sister is a slanderer and a liar.

Other than that, just hang up when the conversation goes off track. You do need to talk to her, but you are not obligated to take her abuse. Like a child, she must be taught about borders, and when she oversteps, she is no longer worth listening to. You need to protect your emotional health so that you can give your mother and family your best.

You won't be able to stop most of her behavior-you will only be able to shield yourself.

NC

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The Mental Regulating of Jehovah is CHILD ABUSE

by PublishingCult in

i was born and raised in the jehovah's witness cult.

looking back at my childhood growing up in the organization and seeing the results of my own life, and dealing with the consequences of indoctrinating my own children with these beliefs, i am sickened and disgusted.

it's never too late to learn, however.

NewChapter

I've been thinking about this, and I want to make this clear. If you were abused as a child--I believe you. If the religion was used in such a way, my heart hurts for you. I didn't mean to sound insensitive. If you have scars, then you have them. It's disgusting, and you have been wronged.

I may not have had the typical JW household. I'm artisitic and so is my daughter, so much of what I taught her was through creativity. I taught her about creation by sitting with her and drawing animals or making them from clay. I made "convention packets" for her where I created puzzles, games, pictures to color, and little books with spiritual themes to give her things age appropriate. She remembers those fondly, and she did enjoy playing with them.

If she was restless, I got up with her. If she was disruptive, I took her outside and let her play or walk. If she was tired, I stayed home. I didn't talk a lot about armegeddon--but I'm sure she heard it at the hall. But I had her the most, and I didn't think it was right to scare her, so I concentrated on the positive things. She studied flute and violin all through school, she played with the band, and she went to her prom. She went to college with my full support. She never took to the religion, and I didn't feel right forcing it on her. So maybe if I had done it right, she would have felt abused. I don't know.

I have so many good memories of her childhood and she does too. We did many many things together, and most of it was not theocratic. That is perhaps the big difference.

I'm sorry if I made anyone feel bad. I feel bad that you were abused. I think I always thought that people were misusing the teachings if they were abusive. Perhaps it was the other way around. If you weren't abusive, you were misusing the teachings. She didn't grow up to be a witness, so I failed miserably. But she grew into a wonderful young woman. I'm pretty happy about that.

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The Mental Regulating of Jehovah is CHILD ABUSE

by PublishingCult in

i was born and raised in the jehovah's witness cult.

looking back at my childhood growing up in the organization and seeing the results of my own life, and dealing with the consequences of indoctrinating my own children with these beliefs, i am sickened and disgusted.

it's never too late to learn, however.

NewChapter

What I'm saying is...

I'm glad to be free of the teachings, I really am. But I don't accept that I was an abusive parent. I was not cruel to my child. My house was full of love. Most religions have unpleasant teachings, but that doesn't make all parents abusive. A vegan parent will indoctrinate her child to be vegan. She will do this simply by diet choices for her child, but also by shopping, cooking, and discussing food. Mom may insist that it is wrong to kill an animal for food. She may even get quite explicit about it. I've seen it happen. It's inevitable. When the child realizes it is okay to eat meat, perhaps they will feel cheated. But that doesn't mean her mother was abusive.

Another parent loves his country and raises his son to be excessivly patriotic. My country right or wrong. The child is raised to believe that serving his country is the finest, most noble thing he can do, so he enlists in the military. Then he gets his legs blown off in Iraq. He rethinks his position on country right or wrong. He may feel cheated. He may feel misled. But he was not abused.

I was not raised in any real religion, and I still have scars from childhood too. It happens. My grandmother was scarred because she grew up in the depression and knew what hunger and cold felt like. Her mother was not abusive.

Okay. Everyone has their spin on this. But I was not a child abuser. Nobody ever coerced me to do anything to my child that I would have thought was abusive. I wouldn't allow it. My grandma taught me that whistling was not lady like, and made me stop. I wish I could have kept whistling--but I wasn't abused. I'll leave it at that. Perhaps I never needed to say anything--except I'm not a child abuser and wanted to say it. I don't think most of the people I knew were child abusers. Most of them really loved their children and spent a great deal of time with them.