she says she can prove i will die if i'm not in the "truth" strictly using the bible .
Serenity--no sex at all? Not even amonst the Armegeddon survivors? When did that change? Even Adam and Eve got to have sex.
I remember an article that said that even after Armeggedon meetings and assembiles would continue so we should work on the habit now. All I thought was SHIT. I'm with you. I'd rather die.
NC
first time poster.
i guess this makes me the scary a word.
arent apostates jealous?
Hi Chariklo. Thanks for sharing. For me finding this information was incredibly problematic. I could conclude that the bible was inaccurate or not literal---but which parts? It doesn't really say. It simply says that it is true and it is the word of God and God cannot lie. Yet it't not all true. The Bible constructs a god that informs his people and teaches them---but then leaves it up to them to decide exactly which parts to fully believe. To compound that problem for me, Jesus often referred to OT stories to support his teachings. And he was described as THE WORD. He also had a pipeline to his father, and his father spoke aloud on his behalf. The bible says he was there at the world's founding and even played a role in creation. Yet when he preached he referenced the old stories with convinction--but I have found those old stories just didn't happen the way they were told.
People have said that the Bible was written for people that didn't understand these things. Archeology is a very new science. And yet--still wasn't that Bible written even for people in our day? Did God not foresee our new understandings? How about Jesus? Again, he had full access to his father.
So that leaves me here--the bible is written by men and displays the same limitations as one would expect from humans. There does not seem to be any inspiration--because if it was inspired it would be true. Much of it is not true. Some of it IS true, but this should not be stunning or even proof of inspiration. They may have lacked knowledge, but they certainly had fully functioning brains and were able to have a lot of good information to share. And if some of it isn't meant to be taken literally---why would God leave it up to us to decide? It would invalidate the entire book because we could decide Jesus wasn't literal as easily as we could decide the flood wasn't literal. And if we can do that, I'm not sure why we bother.
See---THAT was the kind of meltdown I had in the museum that day. As I've said before, I walked away stunned. I wish you well on your quest to seek out knowledge. Keep us updated.
NC
http://news.yahoo.com/casey-anthony-acquitted-killing-young-daughter-191600480.html .
hmmm, I never saw that. Is this a movie?
NC
first time poster.
i guess this makes me the scary a word.
arent apostates jealous?
I did know about the ossuary--I didn't know about the pomegranite. Yeah I write historical fiction. But when it comes to a mix of history and myth, I like to keeps my facts about both as genuine as possible. So I wouldn't just make up something if I can find the answer. I try to keep only the story fictional, but all other details would adhere to history---or the accepted myth as the case would be.
first time poster.
i guess this makes me the scary a word.
arent apostates jealous?
I'm in full agreement with you Zid. I was only reasoning in the context of the Bible. If anything I was pointing out the impossiblities---it was research like this that exposed the bible as just a book written by men.
NC
regarless of their identity - in fact, if they are really "discreet" their identity should probably remain unknown - do you believe the bible speaks of a spirit annointed class of folks, a limited number of humans that have been called to heaven to serve with jesus?.
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Perhaps you should support that last comment with a scripture or two.
There will be a future resurrection, but it is not a general resurrection of everyone all at once.
And just to fill you in on JW doctrine--they don't actually believe it will be everyone at once. They believe that the most recently deceased along with faithful men of old will be first. Then they believe that in the course of 1000 years older and older groups will be resurrected. I won't support that with scripture, I only inform you that this is the actual teaching.
first time poster.
i guess this makes me the scary a word.
arent apostates jealous?
I don't KNOW Zid. I researched it to death. The bible doesn't say---but it doesn't make sense that either Jewish or Roman soldiers would have killed a bunch of babies cuz Herod felt threatened. Rome pretty much liked to keep the peace---the Pax Romana. Persecution did come later--but that was because crazy emporers feared political threats and divisions. As far as Jerusalem is concerned-those Jews rebelled against the Roman government.
Pilate actually conducted a fair trial. In the end he gave into the crowd, but the effort was indeed there. Also the Jews took Jesus to the Romans because they didn't have the authority to execute people. Herod sat on the throne as a proselyte and not a Jew by blood. He didn't have the DNA to hold the throne when the rightful Jew came along. But why would the Romans care about that? THEY installed him, and surely they would not have been threatened by a baby.
I was writing a story about a young girl slightly younger than Jesus. In one scene she shuddered when she saw a Roman soldier because she knew the children had been slaughtered. Suddenly I thought WAIT! How do I know the Roman soldiers carried out Herod's orders?
Perhaps it was just a scary story told to support prophecy, or perhaps it has roots in some historical happening. I haven't found it.
NC
I'm thinking a dash of Persian also.
i have read coc, ccmc, isocf and captive of a concept.
i have been fading since april.
i have nothing to hold me back in wbts so i have decided to leave it.
Umadevi Ahhhh the old ambush. Well they were probably investigating things. It's likely they will attempt to form a judicial committee and be more formal about everything. You don't have to show up for that either. I don't think all three of them will show up at work. They like to be on their own turf.
NC
well, as i mentioned before in one of my few other posts, i've been lurking here for some time now and finally decided it was time to face the facts and take action.. i was raised a jw (4th generation) and my parents were quite zealous when they got married.
mom was a regular pioneer and dad was a ms. i was the little jw 'rockstar' in my congregation, got baptized at 10, was giving talks and serving as an attendant at the hall and at conventions at such an early age.
auxiliary pioneered whenever i could.
Welcome Bulchoz. Sounds like you are doing really well. be patient with yourself though. It's a bumpy road and will get discouraging at times. When it does, leave us a post. We will remind you that it's all worth it.
NC
