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Atheists going to hell...who said this was true?

by trailerfitter in

according to many christians, atheists will go to hell for not believing in god.

this is written in the bibe..sorry i am not sure exactly where...would be nice if someone could direct me to the exact passage.

i feel however this contrived just to promote the reason for persecution of non believers.

NewChapter

You just got through accusing this God you claim doesn't exist of all sorts of evil things. Does that seem rational to you? But that is besides the point

Of course it's not rational. I was arguing in your context---as I said---it was an academic exercise. Sort of like debating over Hamlet or Luke Skywalker. These aren't real people, but a mythology builds around them and gets debated in context.

I then pointed out that this god was very human, and made by humans, put in place to validate brutal behavior.

NC

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Atheists going to hell...who said this was true?

by trailerfitter in

according to many christians, atheists will go to hell for not believing in god.

this is written in the bibe..sorry i am not sure exactly where...would be nice if someone could direct me to the exact passage.

i feel however this contrived just to promote the reason for persecution of non believers.

NewChapter

Prove it Perry.

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For the board atheists....

by Jack C. in

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this is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.

i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.

as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.

NewChapter

I think I use the bible the same way we use WT literature to disprove that religion. In other words, I like to point out that the facts of the bible don't fit the narrative that their god is loving. Pointing out the horrors of the bible is my way of pointing out cognitive dissonance. Generally I end up in these discussions with bible believers, so that is the book I reference. I KNOW I can't use science or history, because they will block that.

Also, for myself, it was a deep study of the bible that made me look up and say, something is not right here. I did deep research on the flood and looked into science in order to support and supplement what the bible said, and that's when it all fell apart. NEXT I really read and thought and realized this was a brutal god and he was very very human.

So that's why I take that approach. Only when you can open their minds a bit will science fit in there.

NC

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Atheists going to hell...who said this was true?

by trailerfitter in

according to many christians, atheists will go to hell for not believing in god.

this is written in the bibe..sorry i am not sure exactly where...would be nice if someone could direct me to the exact passage.

i feel however this contrived just to promote the reason for persecution of non believers.

NewChapter

That's good to know. When I start a rant, I don't always think it through. It's not so much railing against all religion or belief as resentment that belief in hell led me to a cult for relief.

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Atheists going to hell...who said this was true?

by trailerfitter in

according to many christians, atheists will go to hell for not believing in god.

this is written in the bibe..sorry i am not sure exactly where...would be nice if someone could direct me to the exact passage.

i feel however this contrived just to promote the reason for persecution of non believers.

NewChapter

Yes to be clear, Tec never bothers me in the least. She has faith, she expresses it, and she never needs to warn me about hell or take guesses at my eternal destiny. Tec I hope you know that. I generally respond to such bs because that is what pushed my into the JW cult---fear of hell. It's like a tic with me at this point---I'm sure I'll work it out one day. I have many Christian friends that I just love and they live according to their principals, which is generally a very good thing.

This extreme crop that is grabbing headlines and congressional seats concerns me though. I don't even view people like you as remotely related to what I see happening.

NC

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HOW DEMOCRACY WILL ELECT THE ANTICHRIST

by garyneal in

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it appears that someone thought it funny to invite a bunch of former ifb's to this event.. gees, didn't we get enough of that when we use to attend those churches?

oh well, guess i will pass the invitation along to the former witnesses.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=266559223364900&notif_t=event_invite.

NewChapter

LOL Gary. Sorry you're still on their radar.

NC

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Abortion and post pregnancy

by Mercedes in

my life has finally started to get better.

i really miss my man now and i really want to move back with him.

problem is, nothing would be right until i finished school.

NewChapter

LOL---talesin--is it an issue in Canada? Here in the US, the states are making laws that violate Roe v Wade hoping that they will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court. They believe that for the first time since Roe V Wade, the court will rule in their favor and take abortion away as a right. Women's groups are hesitant to push that far--I believe hoping for a change in Republican administrations, or a change in the courts. It's a touchy issue.

NC

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Atheists going to hell...who said this was true?

by trailerfitter in

according to many christians, atheists will go to hell for not believing in god.

this is written in the bibe..sorry i am not sure exactly where...would be nice if someone could direct me to the exact passage.

i feel however this contrived just to promote the reason for persecution of non believers.

NewChapter

I'm not sure what charges I've made that you researched, perhaps you can be more specific.

However, to answer your question: If God doesn't judge evil, wouldn't that make him an enabler of evil? How can a person imagine a benevelent all-powerful God that would forever not judge evil? I can't

Perry---I can't answer this because there is no god. The god created by those angry desert dwellers--you know the ones that I charged with ethnic cleansing and infanticide---is something they made up for control. They wanted to be brutal---so their god was brutal. The gods people create reflect the people.

Some say FEAR is the opposite of love, and that's a good argument. I do consider the two to inhabit separate ends of the spectrum. However I think FEAR is the opposite of knowledge. Once you step out of your experience, look at the world as a whole, read about the religions in Mesopotamia you can more fully understand how the bible was nothing new, the ideas were there forever, it was a product of the society it grew out of.

But for academic purposes---if such a god existed--all powerful, all loving, forgiving, merciful--I think he would find a more appropriate "punishment" than eternal suffering. He could do anything- no limits. If you can say such a god is love out of one side of your mouth--and out of the other side say he will torment the wicked for an eternity, then I say cognitive dissonance runs deep with you.

Also, if you have something to say go ahead and say it. I'm not going to the links. I'm not even sure which charges you disagree with--you didn't even list that out. Was it that this god killed millions and committed infanticide and forced young women to marry their rapists? I got all that from the bible, so go to the source if I was wrong.

NC

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Abortion and post pregnancy

by Mercedes in

my life has finally started to get better.

i really miss my man now and i really want to move back with him.

problem is, nothing would be right until i finished school.

NewChapter

Hmmm 8 years later. I wonder if she had kids.

Talelsin, are you asking if abortion will be part of teh elections?

NC

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More bad press for Jehovah's Witnesses!... Mother murders two children.

by koolaid-man in

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http://armenianow.com/news/31667/armenia_mother_murderer_ararat_town.

select edition english ??????

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NewChapter

Snoozy--it's not the religion, but the person. An unstable person that is attracted to religion can always take things out of context. JW's don't teach infanticide. I believe if they had not been there, this person would have been attracted to another extreme religion. I know the WT is responsible for quite a bit---depression, anxiety etc---but this woman experienced a psychotic break. She was very ill in any context. My point was simply that it is a misrepresentation to lay the blame on JW's specifically and present it as though this is a widespread practice. Which is what it seemed to do.

Also these tradegies have happened when no specific religious affiliation can be identified. The person simply isolates and makes their own religion. I knew someone like that---they got weird ideas about god and the bible, but didn't attend any churches. He never killed anyone, but often lost touch with reality. So the ingredients are already there, if they can find a religion that fits, they will. If they can't, they will still live in their delusion.

I agree association with JW didn't help things at all---but I think this is a case of extreme illness. When we act like apostates as defined by the WT, we give credence to their nonsense. That's all.

Take Care,

NC