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  Pioneering is NOT a requirement for April!

  by stillstuckcruz in

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  i'm 20 years old.

  baptized in 07'.

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  *know-no
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  Pioneering is NOT a requirement for April!

  by stillstuckcruz in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm 20 years old.

  baptized in 07'.

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  I'm 20 years old. Baptized in 07'. . Most of you now know about the "arrangement" for April, where those who wish to auxilary pioneer only have to get 30 hours instead of the usual 50. I'm here on this forum....so clearly not a devout witness...at all. When the "friends" STAY asking me if I'm pioneering for April, and I say know, they inSIST on begging for details as to why I'm not. When I give them a vague answer, they look at me as if I'm from Mars and drop it (until they see me again that is...). I guess I can understand their demeanor because that's how they are told to think. But I also wish they wouldn't browbeat me and realize that entrance to the "new system" does NOT rely on whether or not you have the title/rank of a pioneer. If I made 100 hours a month(I don't even want an hour) and wasn't a pioneer, would they still have something to say? likely..../end rant.
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  Dr. Phil episode?

  by stillstuckcruz in

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  2. entertainment

  there was an episode of dr. phil a couple of days ago, regarding mind-controlling cults.

  i missed it, but check this out on the dr.phil website(i apologize if this has been posted elsewhere.

  i didn't look too hard).

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  i haven't a clue. i know nothing of mormons really. other than the ones i talked to in FS. *ugh*.

  i'm not sure if that page was directly related to the episode itself however. im trying to find out
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  Dr. Phil episode?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  there was an episode of dr. phil a couple of days ago, regarding mind-controlling cults.

  i missed it, but check this out on the dr.phil website(i apologize if this has been posted elsewhere.

  i didn't look too hard).

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  There was an episode of Dr. Phil a couple of days ago, regarding mind-controlling cults. Anyone seen it? I missed it, but check this out on the Dr.phil website(i apologize if this has been posted elsewhere. i didn't look too hard). http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/578

  but I'll copy and paste for quoting purposes.

  Some say there could be as many as 5,000 religious groups in America preying on the weak and vulnerable, with five to seven million victims and 180,000 new recruits each year. Learn the warning signs of dangerous groups before you become a victim.
  
  Rick Ross is the founder and executive director of the Rick A. Ross Institute, and an expert on cults, controversial groups and movements. He’s been researching cults for 26 years and helps families intervene with victims of destructive cults, and he offers warning signs of dangerous groups and leaders, brainwashing and how to avoid being taken in by mind control.
  
  
  Tools of Mind Control:
  
  1. Control environment: Loved ones are cut off from family, no communication.
  
  2. Break down sense of self: Break down their sense of self-esteem, literally attack them as individuals on the basis that they are wrong and that the group is right.
  
  3. Instill new sense of identity: New identity is reinforced by the group environment, where you get no feedback except from other members who tell you that they understand the right behavior and the right way of being.
  
  4. Isolate: Cut off from outside world. Fear keeps them trapped inside the environment of the group.
  
  
  Warning Signs of a Potentially Harmful Group/Leader:
  
  1. Totalitarian: Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
  
  2. Little tolerance: No place for questions or critical inquiry.
  
  3. Unreasonable fears: Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
  
  4. Never good enough: Followers feel they can never be good enough.
  
  5. No reason to leave: Former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
  
  
  People Who Are Vulnerable to Mind Control:
  
  Rick says that people who have been brainwashed come from all walks of life, regardless of education, social status, family background and/or intelligence. However, the people who are more vulnerable to mind control are those going through a difficult time in life and/or a transition:
  
  1. Recently divorced
  2. Illness
  3. Personal tragedy
  4. Career failure
  5. Away from home for the first time
  
  
  Warning Signs of a Brainwashed Victim:
  
  1. Obsessive: Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
  
  2. Dependency: Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought, a seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
  
  3. Agrees with group: Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
  
  4. Loss of spontaneity: A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
  
  5. Isolation: Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
  
  
  How to Avoid Mind Control:
  "Don’t be naïve. You can protect yourself from unsafe groups and leaders by developing a good BS detector. Check things out, know the facts and examine the evidence. A safe group will be patient with your decision-making process. If a group or leader grows angry and anxious just because you want to make an informed and careful decision before joining; beware," Rick says.
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  Question regarding Leviticus 19:27?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so why is there no facial hair other than the top allowed?

  obviously some would say for overall neatness but technically unscriptual.

  other verses in lev chapter 19 are used to make moral points.. verse 26( you must eat nothing along with blood.

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  Thanx for the reply. But I really meant why aren't the JW's allowed to have any facial hair since they use the other verses of the chapter to support ideals.
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  Question regarding Leviticus 19:27?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so why is there no facial hair other than the top allowed?

  obviously some would say for overall neatness but technically unscriptual.

  other verses in lev chapter 19 are used to make moral points.. verse 26( you must eat nothing along with blood.

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  So why is there no facial hair other than the top allowed? Obviously some would say for overall neatness but technically unscriptual. Other verses in Lev chapter 19 are used to make moral points.

  Verse 26( “‘YOU must eat nothing along with blood.) is used for the blood amongst others.

  Verse 11( “‘YOU people must not steal, and YOU must not deceive, and YOU must not deal falsely anyone with his associate. ) is used in dealing with the brothers and sisters and overall moral cleanliness.

  .....and so on. but verse 27 says “‘YOU must not cut YOUR sidelocks short around, and you must not destroy the extremity of your beard"

  Thoughts?
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  Elder said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion

  by InterestedOne in

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  2. medical

  i sat in on the "know your options" reading tonight, and the elder said a couple things i was wondering about:.

  1. he said if a doctor says you have a high risk of dying if you refuse a blood transfusion, he is misleading you.

  he said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion.

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  Remember that video the JW's have? Its called Transfusion Alternatives I believe. We go over it like twice a year it seems. I know theres a few statistics in there that they likely got from a doctor somewhere. But I certainly wouldn't stake my life on the statement that there are "usually" complications and problems. It's just another ploy to get us to see something their way. But I'm no doctor so I couldn't back anything up.
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  How many elders, HLC members know CPR?

  by just n from bethel in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  anyone who has ever taken a first aid class knows that cpr training and first aid training are basic life saving requirements for anyone in the professional medical community.

  if you were ever discussing any medical choices with someone who wanted to advise you on a medical / health decision, you would want to be comfortable that if something were to happen to you all the sudden, that this person you were seeking advice from could provide basic medical aid, like cpr.

  if it's a nurse or a doctor or a paramedic, you would expect that they would know what to do.

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  Interesting point. My father is and elder and member of the HLC. As far as I know, he knows nothing of first aid or CPR. I think the point of them is not to administer first aid but simply to act a physical guide....a...voice if you will...in case you are unable to speak for yourself or if the hospital is giving you trouble. They assume most all the witnesses have the same basic medical wants as far as blood goes so they usually tell doctors all the same thing/
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  So which makes more sense? Sex or no sex in the "new system"?

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously jah wouldn't allow for millions of pregnancies in the new system for fear of the same problem today of overpopulation.

  so would he throw in sex but not allow for the women to become pregnant?

  or would there be just no sex at all?

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  "I also think that the entire universe would be available. So overpopulation would not be an issue. Otherwise, really, what is the point of the entire universe if not for life?"

  ^Makes enough sense. I don't recall whether or not the WBTS suuports life on other planets. I'm pretty sure that's a negatory though. Plus they say Paradise "Earth". It would be fantastic if God wanted us to populate the entire universe. Sex forever that would mean.
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  Just something I've noticed that makes me wonder...

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have found it very odd how much in-fighting and back-biting go on among certian boe's.. and it's rather strange that several (not all) of them will vent to me about how they can't stand this one, or they think this other one is out of line, or that elder's wife talks too much, etc.

  or they whine about how many elder meetings they have to go to, or how they are frustrated because they have to deal with sister loudmouth-who-pisses-off-everyone-else.. and i sit there wondering why they would ever want to continue to do this job?

  it's thankless, offers no compensation, rips you away from your family, and forces you to rub shoulders with company men and puts you in a position where you have to render judgement on someone with little or no understanding of what the psychological consequences to that person could be.

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  Ugh. Tell me about it! One elder I worked with in service was telling me about his wife. Negative things. About how she makes him so angry sometimes, etc. I thought it ironic how there was a WT a few wks ago discussing how NOT to talk about your wife in that way. AND he was the brother doing the WT. But their imperfect so...