Posts by stillstuckcruz

Anyways, since then, I have told my parents I no longer want to be one of JW's. There was the expected tears and exsessive chats trying to get me to reconsider bla bla bla. I gave them my reasoning(beliefs, etc). I have since moved out into a place about 40 minutes from them. My entire known family(with the exception of one uncle) are ALL Jw's. I was spoken to by the elders only a couple of times. But that was before I even told my parents I wasn't doing it anymore. I was never disfellowshipped or anything...simply moved out and that was it(with some obvious nonsense in between).

But what I don't really understand is what has happened since then....or rather what HASN'T happened. (It's been over 3 months since I moved and at least 6 or 7 months since I've attended any meetings). When I left, I expected that they would slowly stop speaking to me. Or maybe I'd be secretly disfellowshipped or something. I mean, it's not like they don't know my position. They found out I was gay shortly after I stopped attending meetings. They know I went to a birthday party and associated with a disfellowshipped person(I guess nothing THAT serious but still....) My parents still contact me and we talk quite a bit. I had dinner with them last week and I visit on occasion. And they genuinely don't treat me any different. I still have a great relationship with them AND my grandparents who are also Jdubs. No one from the hall has said a word to me. NO ONE, not a single elder since BEFORE I was attending meetings! I found that strange considering the nightmares others had. Is this normal? Or is it still a matter of time? Are they waiting for me to make known a "disfellowshipping-worthy offense? Or am I simply in the "inactive" category? thoughts?

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New 16 page WT & AWAKE available on jw.org

by St George of England in

needless to say it's the same old rubbish.

the wt has the usual 'doom & gloom front cover, end of the world, fireball, people running in panic.... george.

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stillstuckcruz

Anyone read the article “You Have . . . Revealed Them to Babes”? The whole thrust of the article was clearly to push themselves as having the unique ability to understand Bible "truth". It never expressly states this, but it is implied. Notice @ the end:

"If you study God’s Word with the right attitude of mind and heart, you may be among those to whom Jehovah gives a precious gift—an understanding of the truth about him. Grasping that truth will add meaning to your life now and can lead to “the real life”—endless life in God’s promised new world of righteousness soon to come.*—"

On the surface, a person may believe that on their own they can gain such "truth" through prayer and diligence. But at the end of that statement, there is a footnote that reads "Jehovah’s Witnesses would be pleased to help you to learn the truth about God and his purposes. They offer free home Bible studies, using the book What Does the Bible Really Teach?"

Clearly, Jehovahs Witnesses are among the "humble" one they were speaking of. Read the whole page...it's more stupipdity for people to swallow. So happy to be done with this crap

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The Society debunked the rumored new light on the F&DS in 1973

by Leolaia in

this is the summary of the rumored new light from the 2012 annual meeting, as posted by cedars.. the faithful and discreet slave was not appointed at pentecost 33ce, meaning that there has not been a continuous line of members of the slave class on the earth down through the ages.

the slave class was only appointed for the first time by christ in 1919.the faithful and discreet slave is a small group of anointed brothers during jesus presence serving at watchtower headquarters who are directly involved in the preparing and dispensing of spiritual food.

the individual members of the governing body are not the faithful and discreet slave.

stillstuckcruz

My mind is spinning from all this "new light" and I certainly dont understand it all. But how does this affect their teaching that God only works through an organization? In "In Search of Christian Freedom" under the section F&DS, Ray Franz discussed the two-class distinction and the teaching of the continuous, uninterrupted existense of the "slave class" though the centuries. He states "It becomes apparent that the overriding concern is to authenticate -and enforce-the view that God and Christ deal with people only through an organization, and that today that organization is the one connected with the Watchtower Society".

Of course, with this "new light" that no longer becomes the case. Do they now believe that throughout history, there was no such organization but God used only individuals(or no one?). That the organization instituted by Rutherford was the first time since the nation of Israel that God has used such an arrangement?

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Had a visit on Saturday from 2 JWs

by poppers in

in the course of my encounter i let them know how i felt about their shunning policy and how it destroys families, and referenced oompa.

the lady said there would be more suicides if they didn't disfellowship people!

huh?

stillstuckcruz

I remember going out in FS when I would meet those "difficult" people. It was particularly impressionable when it was my door. It always made me not want to knock on any doors for fear of encountering another "difficult" person. But how you present it is everything to them. If you show them your not bitter or rude, and speak to them respectfully, that can make all the difference.

Good job though, hopefully you got some wheels in the head spinning. The fact that she is home schooled makes things very difficult.

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Did God Invent Swords? - Logic Fallacies and Anachronisms

by cognisonance in

we need not conclude that our loving creator was the first one to make what we know as swords.

adam and eve saw turning in front of the angels something that was blazing.

by the time moses wrote the book of genesis, swords were well-known and used in warfare.

stillstuckcruz

This is a fascinating threat. Never really though about this particular subject before

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Meeting attendance

by DATA-DOG in

stillstuckcruz

I havent been to our hall in about a month but overall there is definite increase on our end. Mostly it comes from born in baptisms and people moving into the area. They just split the congro and it looks like they may have to do another split soon with all the increase :(

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To Whom do You Belong?

by God_Delusion in

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friends

hi guys and gals,.

lot's of you will know about the old "to whom do you belong" kingdom melody intro sounding just like the australian national anthem.

i wonder if it was just pure coincidence or if the writers ripped it off thinking no one would notice.. i don't know the new songs very well - they changed the song book round about the time i stopped going to the meetings.

stillstuckcruz

At least they got rid of the bit about bees being molested. To this day, I still have no clue what it was talking about....

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Who Really is The Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Recovery in

let's assume, as most of you probably believe, that the anointed christians are not the fds.

if the anointed are not the fds, who are?.

stillstuckcruz

Ever read the section "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" in the "In Search of Christian Freedom" book written by former GB Ray Franz? That should put to rest any notions you have of the Jw's being any "slave class". I've learned that simply because a group of people explain a scripture in great detail does not make it right. I never realized just how many holes there were to this doctrine until I read ISoCF. So much of it is based on claims they make about themselves.