Mine went out today. Priority Mail. It'll catch ya by Christmas, and yes it's wrapped inside so you can open the box if you choose to!
Posts by LDH
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112Secret Santa Ideas thread
by Angharad inhttp://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/166570/1.ashx.
for everyone taking part in this years secret santa, here is the thread to post ideas about what you would like to receive.
this way when you get your name of who you are buying for you can come in here and look at what your person has posted.. .
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RIP Dansk (aka Ian), 18.12.1953- 20.12.2008
by faundy inhave posted this on the other thread but just making this one as well:
i need to let you know that dad passed away this morning at 8am.
he fought so hard but in the end they could not get his blood pressure to rise and he died of heart failure.
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LDH
Just heard the news; Rebel let us know over on MoChat.
I just want to say how sorry I am, and I hope your mom can find peace in time, and you kids too.
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LDH
Ummmmm you guys are complete conformists.
Everyone knows that Trader Joe's "Joe-Joe's" are the best, especially at Christmas when the filling is peppermint creme!!!
And yes they have them dipped in chocolate and covered with crushed peppermint too!
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Apostagolf is happining next week!
by oompa ini continue to appreciate more and more just how many on jwd live so nearby!
so next week i have a little golf outing planned with olin moyles ghost, bonnzo, and hopfully undercover.....it is so nice having friends now with soooo much in common.......thanks jwd and simon...........oompa.
oh and anyone else that wants to come out, just pm me, and i will get some more t-time slots.
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LDH
Gymbob what a great idea. Spring?
Oompa have fun.
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announcement at service meeting last night
by isaacaustin inlast nite at my parents service meeting an announcement was made regarding the new triple meeting.
they said that no one can go over their allotted time at all during the tms.
if the bell rings you are to stop immediately- not even finishing your sentence.
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LDH
First of all, giving someone public 'counsel' over a 4 minute talk is just retarded.
I'm LOL'ing at the comment blondie posted about how the "sisters" found it to be such a CHALLENGE to do a six minute demonstration of the crap they parrot for HOURS during the month as a pioneer. Yet, put them in a quasi-informaal teaching role in the congregation, and they are ahem.....CHALLENGED.
LOL.
PS,my recommendation is to complete your talk in TWO minutes,everyone.
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EXPOSING THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY ONLINE.
by Vinny ini still spend some time here and there exposing the wt society for what it truly is (a man originating, man run, high control religious cult-like religious institution), rather than what they tell people they are (god's appointed channel/organization/people etc).
the facts prove without a doubt that god was never behind any of this:http://www1.tip.nl/%7et661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm.
here is the link to that letter: http://newsblaze.com/story/20081209054218zzzz.nb/topstory.html.
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LDH
Vinny,
There's a popular phrase used in many hip hop songs -- "M. O. B." which means "Money over bitches"....basically meaning getting more money is more important than dealing with insignificant female groupies, and the rapper should have no loyalty to these groupies..."bitches."
For some reason, this phrase sprang to mind as I read your story, only I think we should have a new phrase.
Children over Cults.
Your children deserve far more of your loyalty than some cracked out Brooklyn based cult.
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DA Letter Based on the "Blood Issue"
by watson ina must read.
grab a cup of coffee, it's lengthy.. http://newsblaze.com/story/20081209054218zzzz.nb/topstory.html.
from a "non apostate" news board..
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LDH
This position also has nothing to do with my own son being disfellowshipped, though some I am sure will choose to believe otherwise. I will however add this information about this personal ordeal that brings to light another problem; After receiving a very emotional phone call from my disfellowshipped son thousands of miles away in September 2004, I was told by one of our elders that it was, "wrong for me to have accepted that phone call". Instead he said I should have told him to "locate the elders in his territory" and that "we need to tighten up things around here in our congregation". This was the most insensitive counsel that I have ever heard in my years in the truth. His mother had recently committed suicide just a couple of years before, he had just turned 18, was own his own for the first time in his life, disfellowshipped, was 5000 miles from home and felt extremely lonely, sad and despondent. Sure, I could have "turned down" that call all right. Who in his right frame of mind though would have done such a thing to their own son or daughter, in such a time of need? Then, nine months later, after discussing it with the rest of my family, we agreed to allow him to return to living in our house, from Maui. (This decision was due to his very deep depression, suicidal tendencies, a drug dependency problem, and having the ACL torn out in his knee...all at the same time). We agreed to allow him back home to get the help needed to get back on his feet, under very strict circumstances I might add (as the watchtower allows) which included his going to meetings, bringing no leaven into the home, turning his life back around by serving Jehovah, (which he did for six months by the way). I was then told by this same elder that my decision to allow him home was "cutting the hand of Jehovah short, and another big mistake", and because of this erroneous decision on my part, I as his father "might be the one destroyed at Armageddon". This same elder then took me off the watchtower reader's list for the first time in my eight years living on this island. (I had no problem with this, but felt I should at least be told about it) When I inquired as to whether it was just a coincidence or by design that I was missing from that list, he told me that it was by "choice" and that there would be "more where that came from". While this "list" of unreasonable responses about my helping my own son after his being disfellowshipped may seem completely unfair and far less than loving, the brother himself truly believed what he was doing was the correct thing. I will also add that there was very little personal resentment on either of our parts. He sincerely believed he was just doing what the society wanted. One of the things I cannot understand then, is how we as Jehovah's Witnesses can spend enormous amounts of time assisting other people in our ministry -people that are often depressed, fighting addictions, language issues, living at times as we know very ungodly lives-, to do better and we ultimately give these ones the help and assistance needed so they can serve God in an acceptable manner. However,if one of our very OWN people or family members has been disfellowshipped, and happens to fall into a similar dangerous pattern (one that often begs for loving assistance now more than ever) we have minimal provisions at all to help these ones of our own to get back onto their feet. They in fact must be "cut off" and completely shunned by all at a time when many will actually need help the most.
The example of my son above illustrates this well. For someone to lose their mother at such a young age (15) via a gun in her mouth, and then spiral into a course of rebellion is not that uncommon. But to completely have to cut that person off, without any assistance whatsoever from the congregation, when help is MOST needed at this time, is contrary to what the scriptures teach us about Jehovah. He continued to ask the Israelites to come back to him over and over. Even assisting these former rebels to gain his favor once again. Now, because this same individual (my son) now moves out of my home, I too, as his father, am expected to cut off all ties and association with him. Even keeping business dealings to a minimum. There are downtimes in our lives when we need help and support and love, rather than just blindly cutting these ones off indefinitely. Where is the balance, the love and the help in such a policy as this today?
Absolutely true, and chilling.
What parent would turn their back on their child. Didn't Jesus say a shepherd would GO LOOKING for one of his lost sheep? They are full of shit.
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WT term "should be avoided" how do you understand it?
by ?me? inreading a recent posting from blondie on gambling, i saw a phrase that i have seen often in the magazines, and more notably in the flock book.
that is the phrase " (whatever activity or thought......... ) should be avoided" .
now if you ask me this leaves room for doing such activity, but clearly, well, kind of clearly discourages said activity.
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LDH
It's their wiggle room to allow them to disfellowship you if they don't like you.
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Blood Issue took my mom last night
by rwagoner inafter years of fighting a physical disability that ended in kidney failure and several bouts of respiratory/cardiac arrestmy mom landed in the hospital last week.
the doc's said she needed heart surgery and kidney transplants but before they could operate they need to get her blood count back up.
it had fallen well below what her body could naturally restore on its own she she needed transfusions.
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LDH
The muslim version --"Be a martyr for Allah and you'll get 72 virgins in heaven."
The JW version -- " Be a martyr for a Brooklyn-based publishing company that Jehovah uses and you'll be resurrected into Paradise in the wink of an eye."
The end result is the same. Death for a religious ideal that has no basis in fact.
I hope to God you go & wear your police uniform. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Please read condemnatory email sent to me and help me reply
by AndersonsInfo ini received the following emails, one yesterday and the other today and thought you'll like to see an example of the positive and the negative messages i regularly receive through webmaster at my website, watchtower documents, llc, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.. .
here's the negative message:.
"i must say that after reading your biography, i am shocked.
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LDH
How bout this?
What's really SCARY is knowing that there are other Bethel writers who don't believe what they write, either -- and instead have been changing the message to the 'faithful sheep.' This Bethel Insurgency Group is behind all of the recent changes that have come about. There are more to come, just watch.
