Thats an excellent letter Freeman. Hopefully if enough talk of whats going in the WTS gets to the right people then maybe we'll see a major story break forth in the news.
Leander
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My letter to the no-spin-zone FOX NEWS
by freeman inhere is my letter to bill oreilly of fox news.
i used my real name, address, and phone number so if it gets read on the air, everyone will know who freeman is and i will likely be disfellowshiped for apostasy.
and imho, it would be well worth it if it saves just one poor kid.
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Did Satan prove God wrong? a possible bibical flaw
by Leander inmost people are familiar with the account of job where satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve god is because of selfish reasons.
god allowed satan to test this theory on job, so job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on god or blame him in anyway.. it would appear that satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really?
would the majority of mankind follow jobs example if they were faced with similar trials?
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Leander
That was a good movie, it makes you wonder if the writers of that film read the book of Job for inspiration
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Did Satan prove God wrong? a possible bibical flaw
by Leander inmost people are familiar with the account of job where satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve god is because of selfish reasons.
god allowed satan to test this theory on job, so job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on god or blame him in anyway.. it would appear that satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really?
would the majority of mankind follow jobs example if they were faced with similar trials?
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Leander
If Satan is a 29 year old black guy waiting to get off of work in the next 5 minutes then that would be me.
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Did Satan prove God wrong? a possible bibical flaw
by Leander inmost people are familiar with the account of job where satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve god is because of selfish reasons.
god allowed satan to test this theory on job, so job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on god or blame him in anyway.. it would appear that satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really?
would the majority of mankind follow jobs example if they were faced with similar trials?
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Leander
Most people are familiar with the account of Job where Satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve God is because of selfish reasons. God allowed Satan to test this theory on Job, so Job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on God or blame him in anyway.
It would appear that Satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really? Would the majority of mankind follow Jobs example if they were faced with similar trials? What is the majority of mankind doing now? Also another interesting point is that the WTS teaches that only a few million witnesses out of billions will inherit the Earth. If this is truly the case would this not mean that Satan was correct after all?
Furthermore just as an interesting sidepoint, was it really fair to put Job's children to death, inflict him with disease, cause divisions between him and his wife all over the issue of proving someone else right?
Its examples like this that have caused me to lose faith in the bible.
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I blew off a 25 min. service meeting part tonite
by Leander ini told the presiding overseer that i'd probably be late getting home from work.
but i actually spent my time driving around and enjoying the spring weather.. in other news i'll be going in for a job interview tomorrow within the company.
i'm really hoping i land this job, because as soon as i can secure a new position (my old one is being phased out) i'll be exiting the stage of the jw comedy of errors.. .
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Leander
I told the presiding overseer that I'd probably be late getting home from work. But I actually spent my time driving around and enjoying the spring weather.
In other news I'll be going in for a job interview tomorrow within the company. I'm really hoping I land this job, because as soon as I can secure a new position (my old one is being phased out) I'll be exiting the stage of the JW comedy of errors.
Stay tuned for more details, I plan on writing a blow by blow account of my big finale
Just as an afterthought I've been kinda secretly wishing a JW spy would discover my identity and turn me in. It might save me a lot of trouble ;^)
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Last night's bookstudy / Questions about 1919
by Leander inlast night's bookstudy again focused on the date of 1919 and how it was proof that god's favor was directed towards the bible students.
this week the wts compared themselves to the jews when they were released from babylon.
basically they talked about how the jews were discplined by jehovah when babylon destroyed jerusalem and took them hostage.
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Leander
Last night's bookstudy again focused on the date of 1919 and how it was proof that God's favor was directed towards the bible students. This week the WTS compared themselves to the Jews when they were released from Babylon. Basically they talked about how the Jews were discplined by Jehovah when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took them hostage. After a certain period of years Jehovah's favor was unmistakably shown to be with the Jews when they were released from Babylon, this was notable because Babylonians normally never release their prisoners.
Ok so now that the scene is set, the WTS begins to explain how they are the modern-day Jews with God's favor. They stated that when the governing body was arrested and imprisoned that this was Jehovah's way of discplining the bible students and when they were released this was unmistakebly Jehovah showing favor on the bible students. They further claim that Jehovah was with them because of the rapid increase they experienced shortly after the governing body's release from prison.
So that was basically the gist of the study last night, but I'm really curious about several things.
1. What were the charges brought against the bible students?
2. Were these charges really instigated by other religions?
3. Did Woodrow Wilson have a hand in the release of the bible students? (one of the sisters made the comment that the President intervened in behalf of the bible students, another comment was made that the governing body was given consecutive life term sentences)
4. How exactly was it that the bible students were released? Did'nt it have something to do with WT president admitting to some wrong he had committed?
5. If Jehovah was cleansing the bible students during that time, how is it possible that after 1919 they continued to make false predictions and teach things not of the bible?
6. Is there a way to dig up what actually took place at those trials?
This would be excellent proof to show JWs the real truth about the relgion
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I feel so guilty
by Leander inthese past few weeks i've spent a lot of time trying to decide how i want to proceed with the rest of my life.
one of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the wts.
even though i've been a life long witness i feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion i've ever known.
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Leander
Wow, I'm suprised at all the responses. I appreciate all the comments, I feel a little bit better knowing that some of you have been through similar issues and still have been able to emerge from it all with positive outlooks.
I'm still trying to figure out what I should do next, but at least I feel much better than I did yesterday.
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I feel so guilty
by Leander inthese past few weeks i've spent a lot of time trying to decide how i want to proceed with the rest of my life.
one of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the wts.
even though i've been a life long witness i feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion i've ever known.
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Leander
I should apologize, no one can really offer any firm advice on a situation like this and it was'nt fair of me to ask that question. I'm just feeling so ....insane these days.
I really want my first taste of freedom: the ability to go where I please, make friends based on my own discretion, present myself the way I want others to see me. I want to do some extended traveling, play in a band, smoke marijuana, date new people, go back to school, dance at a club.
I just want a chance to be me without constraints
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I feel so guilty
by Leander inthese past few weeks i've spent a lot of time trying to decide how i want to proceed with the rest of my life.
one of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the wts.
even though i've been a life long witness i feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion i've ever known.
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Leander
What would you be missing if you remained married but got yourself out of the JWs? Are you being a little selfish? If you would not be unduly harassed, then there's no reason to leave your wife, that is, unless you just want to leave.
It's a free country, but it doesn't mean that all things legal are right.I am being selfish thats why I feel so bad. But do I stay where I'm at to please someone else or do I strike out on my own and pursue my dreams? Part of the reason I'm still a witness now is because I did'nt want to hurt anyone, but here it is 6 months later and I realize I should have made tracks like I initially had planned.
One of the things that I am most passionate about in life is the arts: music, painting and literature. These things have always had a remarkable influence on my life and strangely enough I seem to have a talent in those areas. In high school I won a few literature and poetry contests and I was also offered a full scholarship to art school. But as I mentioned earlier I was always taught to ignore those kind of worldly pursuits and put all my efforts into the ministry. I've shared these aspirations with my wife but since her thinking is deeply ingrained in WTS doctrine she has never been able to understand my need to pursue my passions. I'm not mentioning these things to justify my feelings but at least you can understand where I'm coming from a bit more clearly.
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I feel so guilty
by Leander inthese past few weeks i've spent a lot of time trying to decide how i want to proceed with the rest of my life.
one of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the wts.
even though i've been a life long witness i feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion i've ever known.
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Leander
These past few weeks I've spent a lot of time trying to decide how I want to proceed with the rest of my life. One of my first decisions to carry out is to break free from the WTS. Even though I've been a life long witness I feel no guilt or hesistation in leaving the only religion I've ever known. All of the information that I've read and researched and also the encouragement from many of you has helped me to realize I need not fear any intimidation from the WTS. Also the fact that I'm naturally a loner makes it a little easier for me to deal with the fact that many of my friends will probably shun me.
What makes me feel guilty though is that I want to end my marriage. This might sound strange but I still love my wife but unfortunately I don't see anyway for me to pursue the life that I want and still remain married. As a witness youth I avoided all the things that the society spoke out against, I learned to supress many of my desires and dreams in an effort to be a loyal witness. Now that I've decided to abandon that way of life I'm looking forward to enjoying many of the things that I've always wanted to do. One of them is to simply be able to live by myself. Beleive it or not I've never had a place of my own or known the feeling of being independent. I went from living with my family to living with my wife. I was strongly encouraged not to obtain a place of my own (as were the other young people in my area) until after I was married.
I know it will hurt my wife deeply if I end our marriage but on the other hand I don't find my life enjoyable the way it presently is. Every morning that I wake up is exactly like any other, nothing in particular to be excited about just the same old schedule. Go to work, go to the meetings, prepare talks, spend time with the in-laws, etc. I may have been happier in my current situation a few years down the line but right now I find no happiness in life at the moment. While I would'nt say that I'm depressed, I'm far from being satisfied with my current situation. I'll be 30 years old in 8 days but I feel like I know so little about life.
What would you do if you were in a similar position?
I feel so guilty