There was a comment on this in the Proclaimers book. There was some discussion about how they had to decide works or qualities. And they decided works. I remember because at the time I also remember thinking they made a mistake.
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11A question about the change from qualities to works
by alfredjones100 ini remember reading a comment here that bro.
russell emphasized the developement of christian qualities, where are bro rutherford changed the focus to christan works.
the question i have is, is this change dirrectly commented on in print or is it seen in more anecdotal evidence?.
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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants
by WatchTower87 in2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.
the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.
the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.
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bafh
I think it was better when the congregation approved the elders. Let the community pick who are really leaders in displaying spiritual qualities and who they want to help organize them.
If the CO is appointed by the organization, they are still responsible for the appointment of the elder. I noticed though, they only ask that question at the time of the first appointment, they don't ask it if the person is deleted and re-appointed or is transfered to a different congregation. A good molester isn't going to 1) admit they are doing anything and 2) are unlikely to get caught - so asking that question is a formality to pretend they did "due dilligence".
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Need a Game Plan
by bafh ini'm not sure what is going on at the convention, but i just got a desperate call from a friend wanting me to attend sunday's morning session.
last weekend, my mom invited me too.instead of saying something like, "i'm sorry, but i have no intention of going back," and having them completely freak out - i agreed to go to the sunday morning session.
any recommendations?
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bafh
Thtat is a good idea. Maybe I do need more confidence. My therapist is always telling me "i'd invite you to a dinner party. You're smart, funny, blah blah blah" I feel like she is just making that shit up. Maybe feeling out of place is just how it is; does everyone feel that way, or only me?
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Need a Game Plan
by bafh ini'm not sure what is going on at the convention, but i just got a desperate call from a friend wanting me to attend sunday's morning session.
last weekend, my mom invited me too.instead of saying something like, "i'm sorry, but i have no intention of going back," and having them completely freak out - i agreed to go to the sunday morning session.
any recommendations?
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bafh
I have seen a therapist - am currently seeing a therapist. I'm almost ready to get some meds if I can't fight through it.
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does anyone have the 7/15/2013 study wt?
by sowhatnow ini watched this video this morning and in it, the person refered to the july 15 wt but does not say what lesson or page.
showing in the video where it says that 'jesus arrival to appoint the faithful slave over his belongings did not occour in 1919'.. on the jw.org website i downladed this issue and cant find where this is stated , i do not have that issue.. if someone can watch the video , its almost at the end, tell me id your issue says that.
if it is not at the jw.org website, and the statement is in the print issue then why would that be?
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bafh
So if they were chosen, that means there had to be some group to be chosen from, right? Such as, oh, I don't know....maybe every OTHER christian church??
I really do think they are going to have to drop the date thing eventually - I read Matt 24 today - and that is the chapter that says "the day or the hour no one knows..." So WHY are we focused on trying to figure it out instead of focusing on what kind of people we are???
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does anyone have the 7/15/2013 study wt?
by sowhatnow ini watched this video this morning and in it, the person refered to the july 15 wt but does not say what lesson or page.
showing in the video where it says that 'jesus arrival to appoint the faithful slave over his belongings did not occour in 1919'.. on the jw.org website i downladed this issue and cant find where this is stated , i do not have that issue.. if someone can watch the video , its almost at the end, tell me id your issue says that.
if it is not at the jw.org website, and the statement is in the print issue then why would that be?
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bafh
So, I just read this article. I'm a little confused. they are sticking with the 1914/1919 date, but later say that the slave isn't appointed until the tribulation?
Am I reading that right? So how do they know they arent a weed instead of wheat??
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bafh
Get a lawyer or CPA
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Need a Game Plan
by bafh ini'm not sure what is going on at the convention, but i just got a desperate call from a friend wanting me to attend sunday's morning session.
last weekend, my mom invited me too.instead of saying something like, "i'm sorry, but i have no intention of going back," and having them completely freak out - i agreed to go to the sunday morning session.
any recommendations?
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bafh
I'm 42, almost 43. Left 5 years ago. Workaholic and introvert. Feel like a complete social retard. didnt think I'd be having such a hard time. Most days think jumping off a bridge is a pretty good solution to my issues. Thought I'd feel better on the outside and in some ways I do. It's just such a struggle; I'm not sure I'm up for it any more. I'm just so tired.
will probably drink several pints before the Sunday session.
Thanks to those who have responded I appreciate the support.
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Need a Game Plan
by bafh ini'm not sure what is going on at the convention, but i just got a desperate call from a friend wanting me to attend sunday's morning session.
last weekend, my mom invited me too.instead of saying something like, "i'm sorry, but i have no intention of going back," and having them completely freak out - i agreed to go to the sunday morning session.
any recommendations?
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bafh
Let me be clear: my only attachment to this organization is the fact that my family is all in. I'm 4th Generation born-in. My preferece is that I'm not seen as dangerous - just spiritually weak. I own a business, and I work all the time - so naturally they think my business has distracted me from being a Witness.
The fact is, I'm not willing to say "they don't have the Truth" - they have as much a chance of being "the channel" as any other religion as far as I can tell.
If pressed, my plan is to say: "There are a lot of things that bother my conscience. I'm not saying the GB is not Anointed. I'm saying that my conscience is bothered. I'm not interested in going into detail, because I don't want people to get the wrong idea. I'm just going to wait on Jehovah with my concerns and see what happens."
And you are all right. I do need to join some clubs - and I have. It is just that when I work so much it is hard, plus there is this "instant" friendship thing that happens with JWs that doesn't happen on the outside. I feel a little socially retarded because I feel like I don't know how to read other people, and I expect that they will not like me. I don't feel like I fit in any where - inside or outside - so I'm having a hard time, and I'm not sure how to handle it.
so that's my story. Thanks for listening.
bafh
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Need a Game Plan
by bafh ini'm not sure what is going on at the convention, but i just got a desperate call from a friend wanting me to attend sunday's morning session.
last weekend, my mom invited me too.instead of saying something like, "i'm sorry, but i have no intention of going back," and having them completely freak out - i agreed to go to the sunday morning session.
any recommendations?
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bafh
The thing is, this friend already went to the convention. Whatever happened on Sunday really got to her. She was desperate for me to attend. So the only reason she is going again is for me.
At this point, I'm not on anyone's radar. I never answer the doors when the JWs come by, and I don't think they know where I live. I've been faded now for about 5 years and with the exception of a few family funerals early on and the Memorial each year - I don't attend any meetings.
This is an appeasement move. I don't plan on going back, although I have to admit to considering it lately just because I'm having a hard time making friends on the outside. I feel like as long as I am open, and willing to talk and at least consider what they have to say it keeps them at bay and calm than just telling them I'm not going to consider it. I'd rather be guilty of leading them on a bit than have them think of me as dangerous because I disagree with what they believe. I'm not a spiritual danger to them because I don't care enough about what they believe.
anyway...I'll follow through because if I pull out that might be a big red flag to her - but I want to be able to anticipate as much as possible what will be thrown at me.