Posts by DarioKehl

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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.

by Witness 007 in

lindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..

DarioKehl

Link? I just tried searching for it online

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One day Circuit Assembly Review !!

by DATA-DOG in

it sucked!!.

so what's going on in the borg!?

what have you missed??

DarioKehl

I went today as well. Wonder if we were at same one

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Interesting Comment From an Active Elder

by DarioKehl in

i was recently speaking to an elder "off the record" while helping him do some house repairs.

i have a comfortable enough relationship to speak openly with him about things, but am careful to disclose the extent of my disbelief in wt doctrine.

anyway, this guy wouldn't last a day in the mafia because he can't keep anything confidential.

DarioKehl

Wow...

I've never gotten this many hits on a topic before. Yay me!

Yes, to reply to a few of you, this kind elder and good friend of mine is intelligent in every other area of his life. Sadly, he comes off as quite the simpleton when he puts his JW blinders on. It's so sad. I will definitely keep the board updated on this and other interesting conversations I have with people still inside. I have quite a few good ones, actually. People seem more receptive to examining the WT lately, especially if you're already in one of those crazy "speculation" discussions (for example: Clothes in the NS or not? Meat in the NS or not? Children in the NS or not? Horse and buggies or advanced hovercrafts? Resurrection inside of cloning chambers or upon Star Trek transporters?). You know the ones I'm talking about--we've all had 'em. When those get going, sprinkle a little bit of critical thinking into the mix. Ferment that lump with leaven. Then, stand back and watch it go to work. This approach seems to have worked well so far.

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Interesting Comment From an Active Elder

by DarioKehl in

i was recently speaking to an elder "off the record" while helping him do some house repairs.

i have a comfortable enough relationship to speak openly with him about things, but am careful to disclose the extent of my disbelief in wt doctrine.

anyway, this guy wouldn't last a day in the mafia because he can't keep anything confidential.

DarioKehl

Oh yeah, Bobcat...

Thanks for your comment. As a nonbeliever, I hadn't even considered that option. Yes, the JW version of the ceremony is quite different in meaning than that held by the majority of Christianity. So, that would bring the total for the increase to 3 reasons: silent protest by those mentally out, silent protest by those who interpret the scriptures to mean everyone should be included and, of course, the delusional nuts who actually believe they're part of the 144K elect saved who will rule over the rest of our bitch asses lol.

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Interesting Comment From an Active Elder

by DarioKehl in

i was recently speaking to an elder "off the record" while helping him do some house repairs.

i have a comfortable enough relationship to speak openly with him about things, but am careful to disclose the extent of my disbelief in wt doctrine.

anyway, this guy wouldn't last a day in the mafia because he can't keep anything confidential.

DarioKehl

I was recently speaking to an elder "off the record" while helping him do some house repairs. I have a comfortable enough relationship to speak openly with him about things, but am careful to disclose the extent of my disbelief in WT doctrine. Anyway, this guy wouldn't last a day in the mafia because he can't keep anything confidential. If I hang around him long enough and allow him to do most of the talking, I'll know about every juicy B-room detail.

Anyway, I decided to pick his brain a little. He never discusses doctrinal matters. One of the things I'll never miss about the JW lifestyle is the gossip. So, rather than listening to everyone's dirty laundry, I started the topic this time.

I asked him, "So, honestly, what do you think about all the changes that are going on?"

Elder: "Changes? What changes?"

Me: "Well, for starters, just compare everything today to 2007! We no longer have book study, Bethel properties are shutting down everywhere, the magazines releases were reduced in frequency and now volume, we have a totally different song book now with creepy music, the generation doctrine has been changed TWICE since then, the annual meeting announced that the slave IS the GB, they're pounding jw.org at every opportunity when the internet was all but forbidden not long ago, the word "brazen" has replaced "loose conduct" in all the newest literature (even though "loose conduct" is what appears in the sited scripture) and the publications have taken a much stricter tone with education and disfellowshipping!"

Elder: "Huh. Really? You think they've gotten stricter? I thought they've been getting much better! The end is so close and they're really trying to keep us alert!"

Me: "Not so fast. We have decades left now! The most recent understanding of "generation" means that there will be an "overlapping" of those living in 1914 and those who see the end."

Elder: (scoffs) "Well. Honestly, just between you and me, I don't think even they know what's going on right now. I think there is corruption all the way to the top. It's happened at headquarters before. Or, maybe this younger batch on the GB are mostly Pharisees."

[Ok, that blew me away. I couldn't believe he just said that to me. In my mind, party horns and confetti poppers where going off.]

Me: "Wow. You know, I've suspected that myself but never felt comfortable sharing it with anyone. I'm glad you said that. It would go hand in hand with their new light allowing them to consolidate authority from the "remnant," that would make sense! But, I have another reason for thinking we have decades left. Since 2007, the number of partakers has gone from around 8,300 to almost 12,000! What do you think?"

[At this point, I'm playing devil's advocate--a very dumb one. I have to play the role as a sincerly confused dub who's asking honest questions from an elder but my real motive is to get him to start thinking for himself and speak freely. He did. What he said next is pretty interesting.]

Elder: "Huh, really? I hadn't noticed that. Wow. Well... All I can say about that is, in my experience, any time someone starts partaking out of the blue, it's only a matter of months before they become apostate."

I was dumbfounded for 2 reasons. First, how could he be so naiive about all the major changes I'd mentioned that have happened since 2007? Second, how could he not have noticed the massive increase in partakers? This man is obviously under heavy, heavy indoctrination/mind control. Seriously. However, when I asked my questions, the look in his eyes showed a real "wake up" moment! Finally, the thing I found really interesting was his observations about new partakers going apostate. He's an elder who can't keep confidential things quiet, so I know he's speaking from experience. I'm wondering, if this is the case, is the reason for the increasing partakers mostly composed of delusional, megalomanical nuts who really believe they're annointed? Or are many closet doubters making some kind of silent protest? I do know of a few people who recently began partaking within the last 15 years or so (and these aren't people who were alive prior to 1935. These are people who started partaking in their 20s-50s) and they're all either totally nuts or have since left the organization. This elder may be absolutely correct.

Have any people here who are "still in" started partaking at JW Memorials as a form or protest or to screw up their numbers?

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my worst fears were realized

by magotan in

im on my phone, so im really limited.

i came out to my family about my doubts and my sexuality.

shit hit the fan.

DarioKehl

Wow, Megotan...

That's rough, but good for you. That took a lot of courage. I just sent you a PM yesterday but much of it may be obsolete now.

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Elders finally took me to the back room...

by OneDayillBeFree in

after several months of leaving the meetings as soon as they ended or only staying for "the first meeting" then leaving the "second part", the elders finally cornered me at last night's meeting.. they said they were concerned about me and that being that i am a young brother in a recently divided congregation they saw so much potential in me to help out the congregation and become a ms.. i told them i was thankful for their thinking of me to help the congregation but that at the moment i could not due to my job.

then the began asking personal questions that got on my nerves.. they asked where i worked and how much i made.

they asked if i was going to college and what i was studying and for how long.

DarioKehl

Wow. What are your current circumstances? Is a fade possible?

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New Light About FS--question

by DarioKehl in

jw
friends

so, if the current gb is this "faithful and discreet slave" and they place greater emphasis on 1919 now, are they saying that only a few anointed christians were selected in the 1st century, followed by nearly 2000 years of no selections and starting around 1914-1919, the selection of the rest of the 144,000 resumed?.

if so, this is an easy explanation for the increase in numbers of partakers since 2008. have they gone right out and said this officially or have they only alluded to it up to now?.

also, the original understanding was this "shut door" policy of 1935. i never understood how they arrived at that year.

DarioKehl

So, if the current GB is this "faithful and discreet slave" and they place greater emphasis on 1919 now, are they saying that only a few anointed christians were selected in the 1st century, followed by nearly 2000 years of no selections and starting around 1914-1919, the selection of the rest of the 144,000 resumed?

If so, this is an easy explanation for the increase in numbers of partakers since 2008. Have they gone right out and said this officially or have they only alluded to it up to now?

Also, the original understanding was this "shut door" policy of 1935. I never understood how they arrived at that year. Was 1935 based on scripture or did Rutherford/Knorr just pull that out of their asses? I have a feeling that additional "noo lite" will come out in 2013 that officially redacts the 1935 teaching.

Or has this already happened? Have I missed something?

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What advise would you give to young people today.

by jam in

jw
friends

i was thinking about this today, many of the things i was told.

about life was a lie.

we were duped by the wt and by religion as.

DarioKehl

I think explaining critical thinking methods is the most important skill set. Not only can it inoculate you from heavy indoctrination, it can protect you from falling for all kinds of scams: commercial, new age, conspiracy theory, etc.

Sadly, critical thinking skills are not taught in public schools and inside groups like the JWs, "independent thinking" is boldly vilified. If young people knew what logical fallacies were and how to identify them, I think that would help them tremendously.

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Confidential Materials!

by Atlantis in

all documents of important nature such as, our kingdom ministry, boe letters, forms, or other materials will now be sent only by email or private message communications.

they will not be posted out here on the board.

if someone else wants to post them, be my guest.. .. we have no other choice in this matter, and sending out confidential documents is better when it is done privately.

DarioKehl

Yes, please include me on PMs.