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Now my marriage vow is directly connected to remaining a witness...

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

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i recently informed my wife of 25 years (the love of my life) that i just cannot go on any longer with this facade.

itscrap&theyknowit!

@DavinciCodeBreaker, I feel for you. I couldn't t take it anylonger either. Read my thread "Why I Eventually Left". What made you finally come to this conclusion?

@UNSHACKELED - My marriage was like yours. We completely live 2 separate lives. I became so tired of the JW rhetoric when going out with them. I hated the hypocrisy. The husbands (all of whom were ministerial servants/elders) stayed in trouble. First of all, they were too young to be appointed and lived their lives as 'appointed demi-gods, who never suffered the consequences of their sins (until later dates). I hated hanging with the wives because they (being 17-25 year old brides) knew NOTHING ABOUT LIVING AND HAPPINESS AND RESPECT. What we were taught was to 'endure' our husbands sins (I forget what scripture supported it) and wait on Jehovah. I REFUSED after 14 years of marriage.

My reasons for divorcing have simply come down to my husband trying to incriminate me with the opposite sex. Just stupid sh**! This is what the organization pushes for....if one mate stops attending the meetings they've simply committed adultery or some other crap. Instead, it's just simply, I've done a bunch of research in my adult years (I am now 40) and have come to find that THIS IS NOT THE TRUTH. I believe in Jehovah. I don't believe in THE WITNESSES.

I'm now in the 20th year of being married to this JEHOVAH WITNESS DROID. Butnow, I HAVE TO TRULY divorce his stupid self just for PEACE OF MIND!!!! I can't close the bathroom door for privacy without the charge of somekind of impropriety. I only talk to him if it involvess the children or a bill that needs to be paid NOTHING ELSE!!! EVERYTHING is an argument. If I exhale, it turns into me cussing him out like a dog in the street. I nolonger have respect for him. My health has even changed from the stress of his being in the same room because he is soooo damn fake!

In conclusion, he's been having a 'blow-job' affair with a female at his job for some time now. He THINKS I don't know. I just don't care. As long as it's not with me. But, he continues going to the meetings and taking the kids like he's soooooo forlorn. My family has even taken his side (behind my back, of course (cowards)). But, I shall put out ALL evidence soon. Just to show him how RELIGILOUS he and this absurd religion is.

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Question on Job 14: Does it support, or contradict, the idea of a resurrection?

by sir82 in

a question for all the bible / jewish theology scholars out there..... the wt society has long championed job 14:13-15 as being the earliest reference to a resurrection.

here it is, quoted from the nwt:.

13 o that in she ol you would conceal me, that you would keep me secret until your anger turns back,that you would set a time limit for me and .

itscrap&theyknowit!

My question has ALWAYS been: "Why, when Job's family was destroyed by the windstorm, did Jehovah give him MORE CHILDREN WHO WERE EVEN MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THE ONES HE HAD BEFORE? If he is the Almighty God, and resurrection has taken place before in the OT, why didn't he resurrect his beloved children?!!!!!

The Society lends the thought to us that they will be ressurected in the New World. WHAT????!!!!!! I would want THOSE returned to me I had before! Yeah! Job and his wife kept having sex and kept having babies!!!!! More beautiful than the ones he had before??? The GRAND thing to do is to resurrect the ones who had just perished and let Job and his wife CONTINUE to have more, as mortals do!

Has ANYONE ever noticed that the resurrections in the Bible were never on 'grand scales'? Ones were resurrected 'here and there'...single resurrections. Why was that?????

This is why I have begun leaning towards......'there is NO resurrection'. It hurts TERRIBLY to know/feel that you will NEVER see your actual beloved EVER AGAIN.

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May 15th WT - Wives Should be Obedient, Submissive & Not Disagree

by flipper in

jw
friends

once again we received the may 15th " witness only " wt from our lurking jw friend.

even though i've been out for over 7 years and haven't attended in that long - i never cease to be amazed at the arrogance of this patriarchal man pleasing wt society in it's dismissive attitude towards women .

it's horrible.

itscrap&theyknowit!

The article goes on to say how a JW wife will rejoice and be joyful in supporting her husband as an elder and be happy for him for the alleged " sacrifice " he makes serving the congregation. Then a final point which grates on me is this quote, " Being exemplary in a supportive role may be a challenge for a wife when her husband makes a decision she DISAGREES with . Even then, she manifests a " QUIET and mild spirit " and cooperates with him to make his decision work. " O.K. This is once again a twisted errant thinking. Newsflash to any JW wife - What if you disagree with your husband because he's being a idiot making DANGEROUS and HURTFUL decisions which could put your family and yourself in danger ?? Are you STILL going to support him though he's guiding you and your kids into quicksand financially, emotionally, or physically from abuse ? All I can say is I hope there are JW women standing up to this controlling pile of cowdung information and saying " Enough is enough ! "

@ FLIPPER - Kudos!!!! Thank you soooo juch!!!! I did this. Let my husband and the other elders run my ass into the ground!!!!!!!!!!! I woke up and it hell for them to pay. I got tired if being told, 'you don't want to usurp your husband, pray for him, you won't have Jehovah's holy spirit should you question your husband, and so on and so forth.'

My husband (elder) and his many elader/MS friends are drunkards, the BIGGEST ADULTERERS, liars, partiers, and so on and so forth. But, I was told to let Jehovah take control and he would discipline them. Well, my marriage is over.....due to being the SUPPORTIVE wife.

I chose intelligence over stupidity!

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July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard

by LostGeneration in

this is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).

avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.

(para 7, pg 16).

itscrap&theyknowit!

"God's Rest-Have You Entered Into It?"

WHEN ARE THESE PPL GONNA WAKE UP???!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got it together in UNDERSTANDING, life is just a vicious cycle of world events. When/will it ever end? My Dad passed away last summer and it was a REAL shocker! This beautiful, vivacious, Best Dad In The World (only 66 y.o.) was taken away from us! It rocked our family, the people at the hall, his retired work buddies. If death could happen to him, it can happen to ANY of us! The burning question to me was, WILL I REALLY EVER SEE MY DAD AGAIN..THE WAY THE JWS BELIEVES IT TO BE?

I don't think so.

We have entered into the 'Lord's Rest' according to JWS, right? I thought we weren't. Is this supposed to 'speed' the process of Armageddon?????

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Question for elders and ex elders and anyone else who might know

by ldrnomo in

an older man on the elder body i was on, once said at an elders meeting, just prior to a co visit:.

"brothers we want to be careful not to bring up any dirty laundry with bro...co when he comes to visit" i didn't say anything at the time because i was duly doing my duty as a non thinking jw or at least non speaking and i also knew i was outnumbered.. even though i put this in quotes, i really don't remember exactly what he said but the general idea is there.. so the question is, has anyone else had a similar experience?.

perhaps some may have some thoughts on the many shows that go on in a kingdom hall..

itscrap&theyknowit!

Wow!!! Another great reason why I had to leave. Being married to an elder, father-in-law elder and bro-in-laws, husbands friends elders.

THEY WERE AAALLLL DOING SH** THEY HAD NO BUSINESS DOING!!! THE BIGGEST SINNERS IN THE UNIVERSE!

It would amaze me how I could work with 'general' people and they would know these men! Women would ask, 'How do u know so&so?' I would say he's one of my husband's best friends. By the time conversations were done, these women will have told me of these ELDERS having babies in the treets, dating their cousin or sister!!!! This information floated to me thru MANY YEARS! Once I word was out that I nolonger attended meetings, women that STILL went to the hall would find me like a magnet to lament of all the corruption amongst thease ELDERS.

Then, of course, you are supposed to REPORT THIS NATURE to the brothers. EVERYTIME I was told that we as Witnesses don't listen to the words of worldly people! I stopped listening but, the sh** kept coming at me! Single women in the congregations would tell me about how DIRTY my husband and his other ELDER/MS friends were!!!! I did a little 'investigative work'. And low and behold...................

HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE TO BE TOLD HOW TO CONDUCT OURSELVES AS CHRISTIANS, FROM MEN IN CHARGE OF OUR SPIRITUAL WELL-BEING????!!!!

I have ABSOLUTELY lost all respect for the headship of this organization. But, we are supposed to wait on Jehovah to 'clean out his temple'. While in the process, many are told to sit down and shut the hell up and take it in the a$$ until Armageddon!

It feels great to be away from this madness and to have peace of mind in my life.

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May 15 2011 WT - study edition out

by just n from bethel in

i don't really care to download it and review it and see how it's the same old same old - but i do like to read up on others doing it here.

:) i'm a lazy leach like that.. so - get to it guys.. www.jw.org.

edit: haha- i said 2001 in the title - meant 2011.

itscrap&theyknowit!

There is a discussion on this board somewhere referring to the 'wives letting the husbands make the decisions and FULLY supporting him'. Does anyone else notice paragraphs 10-14!!!! A wife that may be a smart woman is constantly put down as FOOLISH!!!! It boils my brain! Should you not agree with your husband and constantly ALLOW him to make dumb-a$$ decisions THAT ARE TO THE DEMISE OF THE MARRIAGE & FAMILY....WE WIVES ARE CONSIDERED FOOLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has just been another way of undermining women in the organization using CONTROL!

Has anyone else noticed this????? I brought it up to my Mom who is a JW (sometimes, when it is of her benefit). She cussed me out and asked under what circumstances would you NOT agree with him? I told her, "ummmm, it gave NONE."

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May 15 WT sisters support your husband.....or else!

by hoser in

jw
friends

the new study watchtower page 9 explains how sisters should be happy to be servants to their elder husbands.. "co-operate in financial matters".

"joyful to see her husband active in the congregation".

if he makes a decision you disagree with "she displays a quiet and mild spirit and cooperates with him to make his decision work".

itscrap&theyknowit!

@WTWIZARD- GREAT points!! I have seen may wives, even aunts, who have followed this to an exceptional TEE! Sisters have lost their husbands to death, young and old. When their husbands die or should leave them for someone else, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE A CHECK OR PAY A BILL! I was like this. Went from my parent's home at 19 to marriage for 20 years. Neither one of us had lived on our own. For about 8 years, we had severe money issues. Also, with the thinking that soon we won't have to be bothered with this system anymore and it's issues (namely, money).

Being a Witness has given me more negatives in my life. Now, since I've had this 'awakening' and wanting to be on my own, I look at the price of leasing a condo, maintaining a car, paying just to buy a candy bar on my own, is scary. This is the result of being a Jehovah's Witness all your life.

My kids, I show them the REAL WORLD! They are young, right now. They pay me $5.00 a month for rent and 75cents if they want to go to use gas in my car ( I drive them because they a minors). I am only showing them that they have to take care of THEMSELVES and EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE! As a witness, as long as the women worked under 15-20 hours a week and doing menial jobs just to put money in the tank for field service was all that was necessary. B***sh**!!!!

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

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May 15 WT sisters support your husband.....or else!

by hoser in

jw
friends

the new study watchtower page 9 explains how sisters should be happy to be servants to their elder husbands.. "co-operate in financial matters".

"joyful to see her husband active in the congregation".

if he makes a decision you disagree with "she displays a quiet and mild spirit and cooperates with him to make his decision work".

itscrap&theyknowit!

....and THIS F***** UP thinking is why my marriage is OVERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

My elders have done the same thing to me. Only it is I am mentally ill.

@LIFEISTOSHORT - Yeah! That's what MY HUSBAND was telling everybody...even my own damn family was accepting it! I had 'mental issues'! I was so damned angry.

When you choose to leave the organization, you go thru a bunch of emotions. Oh!!! Then, he wanted to take me to a psychiatrist!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the years I would say let's talk to the brothers about the crap that was going on in our marriage, he NEVER wanted to go. PLUS, THEY DON'T TALK TO YOU UNLESS YOUR HUSBAND WANTS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!! He even told me elders don't get shepherding calls!!!!!!!!!! When I recently brought that to his attention, he says, "I never said that." I wanted to f--- slap his teeth outta his mouth!!! I just called him a liar and left the room.

I told him that I knew about his dimantling my character. He says, "but, you have to hear my side of the story." B***sh**!!! And you want me to stay in a marriage where you have told EVERYONE your wife is mentally ill? You want to stay married to a mentally ill person?

I chose to get educated, leave the organization and leave my spine-less husband. Now, I'm mentally ill? OOOOKKKKAAYYYY..............

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

jw
friends

i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

itscrap&theyknowit!

From djeggnog....

I've found that many of the folks here are hardly literate, and I believe some of these are high school dropouts lacking social skills, and have apparent reading comprehension problems, so they are often on the defensive when conversing with them (which may be the reason some bodies of elders have reckoned such illiteracy as a lack of repentance and haughtiness and voted to disfellowship them when these persons were just ignorant and were lacking in faith as had the apostle Paul). (1 Timothy 1:13)

You've got to be kidding me!!!! I have been around the 'truth' ALL MY LIFE and I have to say close to 75% of elders thruout MANY of the congregation I've experienced are NOT intelligent. They ARE NOT eloquent. THEY ARE charismatic like PIMPS!

I have listened to brothers with HORRIBLE SPEAKING qualities. They are totally inept.

My question is, "What in the f---- are you doing on here?"!!! You are on here because you have doubt in the organization/society. It's okay to let it out on here.