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List Ways To Prove That Elders Do NOT Have Any More Holy Spirit Than Others

by minimus in

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friends

please provide proof that elders are not appointed by holy spirit or are especially giftd with more holy spirit than anyone else.

libra_spirit

So minimus, how did it feel to have all that Holy Spirit? Kind of powerful I imagine!

Ok blondie, then it must be true, I mean if the WT says so then that proves it! Just kidding...you made me laugh.

I think elsewhere has a good idea there, we need a group of Elder testers for the Salem Elder Trials. Elder dunking might work too.

One of my most frustrating expierences was going around, as a young Witness, and asking elders, "What is the Holy Spirit?" and then enduring the meaningless babble I would get back. Everything they do is to replace Holy Spirit with something else even including electricity, and finally the Org seems to be the final replacement. Anything in the Bible attesting to the works of the Holy Spirit, is now considered demonism! If you were to start talking to Jesus, since he is now present, or if you healed someone in his name, watch out! If you sopke in tounges, or cast out a demon, watch out man! They have demonised the Holy Spirit, and replaced it with Watchtower text and negative legalistic controls. They have turned a powerful Biblical force that created the world into a meaningless mental concept now powerless, 2nd to field service and meeting attendance.

I would have to say it should be obvious that elders don't have any more Holy Spirit then any other follower of the JW cult because none of them even recognize it when it pops up anyway. For them grandious mental explanations serve as supporting arguements to allow them to stay in thier rosey little "Paradise earth mental picture where everything will be magically taken care of after Armageddon" illusions, and no one will have to expierence anything emotionally real right now. No growth, no changing, all that can be put off and ignored. If there is any Spirituality in such a practice it would be by accident.

No bitterness here! LOL!

Ok so if it's proof you want then consider how elders are put into thier rolls. Is there a cerimony where a spiritual priesthood is passed onto them? No! Is there even any kind of a prayer conducted at thier inaugration placing this Holy Spirit in them? No! Is there any transfer of Holy Spirit placed on them by the Circuit Overseer or by a group of super spiritual Bethelites? No! Is there any laying on of hands? No! Any fasting, or prayer? Any initiations? I think they just look at thier service record, size them up, appoint them if they qualify, and then hand them a rule book and basically say, ok now you are incharge. Have fun controlling the flock and we will accept any and all your judicial rulings without question! We will always believe you over any of the flock, and you will recieve special treatment as will your kids, welcome to the good old boy network, the ruling class! So much for the judges and kings and priests that the flock thinks is ruling them now from heaven with Jesus! Pretty neat eh? Just never show anyone the rule book or they might figure that out! Now get busy and start a witch hunt because that will pull the flock together tightly with fear, keep all of one mind, and keep the group cohesive and submissive. Oh and be sure to tell them how good they are following now and then when thier hours are up, a pat on the head usually does well.

Did you see anywhere in there where the Holy Spirit was even mentioned let alone become amplified in them?

To them the "Holy Spirit" must be figurative or symbolic. It just means that they are good at programming the flock and themselves successufully.

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Watchtower Lawyers -- How many?

by VM44 in

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friends

this has been brought up before, but i am going to ask it again....just how many lawyers does the watchtower have?

how many have they sent to law school?

and, why do they need so many lawyers?

libra_spirit

I don't think they want any more biblical scolars cuz every time they get one trained he leaves! But lawyers fit in well, as long as they get paid well. It's like the old joke. "How come if a lawyer falls into shark infested waters he doesn't have to worry?" ...answer "Professional courtesy!" I imagine that lawyers are well respected at Bethel, just as most blibical scolars get DFed.

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Just had huge arguement outside hall....

by Gadget in

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a few days ago i sent a message to an elder(one of the ones from my jc) asking him if he could get in contact with my girlfriend because i was very worried about her.

after the meeting tonight he asked if he could have a chat with me outside the hall.

he explained that he could not get in contact with her, as she was out of his jurisdiction.

libra_spirit

Yes, some professional help is in order. Can you get her to see a counsilor or theraphist? Even a call to a crisus line may accomplish more, at least get her a phone number for a suicide line, or talk to them yourself and see what they recommend.

Suicide is nothing to take lightly! Don't rely on the elders to be of any help in this area. She may be very depressed, and the authoritiarian structure of the Org is not going to help one bit. All the eldres will probably just tell her to pray more and go out in service more, this probably won't help at all because it is only denial and avoidance of the real problem.

Good luck!

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A cult is a cult anyway you look at it

by wannaexit in

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friends

the mention of the word "cult" may bring to mind jim jones of the people's temple and the mass suicide of over 900 innocent lives or david koresh of the "branch dividian and the massacre of innocent lives in waco.. the watchtower may not be a cult of that extreme calibre, but it is without a doubt a cult.. to those of you that may think that the watchtower is not a cult please consider this quote from the book "seductive poison" ( this is the biography of deborah layton who managed to escape jonestown).

the quote reads as follows:.

"when our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts and friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means.

libra_spirit

wannaexit,

This is so true. Well said. The JWs are as cultish as they get in my opinion!

When the only way to have my family back, my roots of 3 generations, is to return to the false teachings of fear and control, then this is a very evil cult indeed. If I would kill myself would anyone even notice? They would simply put me out of mind saying see... that is what happens when you leave the truth. We must somehow start over completely. I can not deny my roots, my family has been faithfully following this Organization for decades and my children still can see nothing else! I am alone, even my brother who has also left wants little to do with me as the sad memories flood into his mind when I am around. This religion causes mental distress, it is the strongest negative influence in my life 20 years after my own exit. If you have never been touched by this then count your blessings, if you have been then you may understand my feelings. Your post brings me to tears because it is true.

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Verses that bothered you as a JW

by JH in

we find god's name "jehovah" so many times in the old testament, but not at all in the new testament.

jesus is called a "mighty god" in the bible.

jesus is also called "father".

libra_spirit

If the Christians were against blood sacrifice of humans, as the pagans were doing, then why did thier God also demand the blood sacrifice of Jesus. To me the whole idea that Jesus had to die for all mankind was totally absurd. It makes God seem very blood thirsty.

Also if God told Abarham to kill Isaac his son, and then changed his mind later and told him not to kill him, then did God lie? Either God changed his mind, or God outright decieved Abarham. Either way it makes God out to be not very consistent in his will.

In the garden of eden the tree was that of "knowledge of good and evil". Why would God choose to keep man in ignorance never recieving knowledge of good and evil? If man had chosen to obey then would he not still be practicing good and learning this? Was disobeying really the only way to learn about good and evil? Was man really that stupid? As a JW we were taught all about good and evil, was this not a teaching of disobeidence equal to eating the forbidden fruit?

My all time worst conflicts were realized after reading the new testament, particularly the book of John. I realized that to be a Christian you had to be "born of the spirit" you had to partake of the emblems. I realized that Jesus was to return visibly "every eye would see him".And his return was to be in the flesh! He adamintly stated that the "antichrist" was the one denying Jesus in the flesh, as the JWs did.

Revelation, the first four chapters, was addressed to Isreal, not "Spiritual Isreal" the term "Spiritual" had been added, this was forbidden by the last verse of Revelation, the JWs were guilty of the worst thing mentioned in the Bible, adding to it so as to change its written meaning. A very disturbing thought!

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Questions about Jehovah's Witnesses that I need answers to

by the real truth in

i'm not trying to offend anyone by asking questions, but i really want answers to my questions from jehovah's witnesses.

ok, i've been having a problem with john 1:1. how many gods are there?

the most famous distortion in the nwt is john 1:1. the nwt inserts the word "a" in front of the second god in this verse.

libra_spirit

Once again I would like to point out the error of your question.

To a JW God with a capitol G does not equal god with a small g.

Jesus is not God he is a god.

Only the father is God. All the other gods are a small g ok? This is how they are kept seperate. Your above statement indicates they believe that Jesus is God (capitol G) this is in error.

The problem is in the question not in the answers you have been getting.

The JWs have only one God (the father capitol G)

They are aware of many gods(small g) satan, Jesus, etc.

Jesus is a good god but is not equal too God(the father capitol G) of which there is only one.

Satan is a bad god, the god of this world.

Please carefully read the above and try to notice where the word God has two different meanings depending on wether it is capitolized or not.

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Will the Watchtower take down their website?

by integ in

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friends

what can the watchtower do to stop the influx of their flock from going to apostate web sites that expose their false doctrines?

one way would be to take down their website so no one would even have a reason to get on line.

too severe right?

libra_spirit

I suppose that sooner or later we will very probably see something called the "filter" to be loaded on all JW PC's. You can imagine just how the lovely rose colors will now appear bigger then life as all shadows are removed! Ofcorse only the poperly sanctioned sites will now pop up in the search engines, and all the apostate sites will magically dissapear!

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JWD Cookbook - Info wanted - SIMON and others

by Lady Lee in

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friends

i now have enough recipes to start putting this cookbook together.

129 recipes.

since we will be putting this on the internet with the hopes that other people besides us will buy it what do we want to say.

libra_spirit

Fresh Aposto baked Rockfish

Lay the tender white filletts in a glass cooking dish.

Cover well with mayonise then a heavy coat of dill relish.

Cook at 350 only about 15 min or untill all the meat turns fully white.

The coating will keep the moisture in the fish and preserve its delicate flavor.

Serve and consume with other fine apostate side dishes.

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Single and Happy

by RubyTuesday in

can people be single and happy?

the older i get the more i believe that being single is the way to go.there are so many advantages.just to name a few;.

you can finish that college degree, go to the neighborhood bar anytime, do charity work, join a night class, stay out all night, flirt with anybody you please.

libra_spirit

Single is better if you are filled with anger and hate, married is better when you are filled with love.

So what are you doing tonight ruby?

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What will the future generations of JW's be like ? will there be any ?

by run dont walk in

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friends

it has been eluded to in a couple of other topics,.

let's face it the young generation of jw's are getting smaller and smaller, and very few "new ones" coming into the fold.. what will the watchtower's tactics be, to keep this farce going another 100 years let alone 10 years ???.

change 1914 to 1993 ????

libra_spirit

Bethel will be run by foriegn nationals, Mexicans, Philipinos, etc. imported from uneducated sections of foriegn countries.

There will be a new JW presence on the Net that sounds a lot more down to earth, even now as they read through our posts they are developing a new approach to make it seem that they are really smarter then the average internet junkie.

A terrorist attack will be launched at Bethel, completely demolishing the printing press, however the closed internet networking site will be up and already in operation. Piped into each Kingdom Hall around the country and closely monitored by each body of InternetElders.

The Governing body will become internet literate using intrecate programs to decode the Bible message for us today. Work will begin in the mid 21st Century to build the first "inspired class computer." The food at the proper time will now be delivered by a computer program, the "Spirit led Computer system" Gods new phrophet. Using monster flat screen monitors in every Kingdom Hall world wide with instant language subtitles, the exact same thoughts will be programmed subliminally into all JW Borg at the same times. Total unity of thought will be achieved to such a degree that psychic phenomena will become common place. This will be atributed to Gods Holy Spirit. However they will continue to have thier Borg drones accomplish absolutly nothing whatsoever that could be constrewed as helpfull to any charity or any cause that will help others.
The guilt and self scrunity will become totally all absorbing and many will become mentally disabled and fall away from Gods true Computer. They will be quickly discarded and forgotten.

In the 22nd century ports will be installed in the brain stems of the faithfull followers for direct accesses to the belief center of the brain, so that total and complete control of all spiritual expierence can be properly directed and shared among all the Borg.

You know the rest, the Federation will be able to control the Borg in sector B, but will be defeated by them in the delta quadrant for several centuries.

libra_spirit

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