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  why do people think jesus died on a cross?

  by watermelon in

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  i have always wonderd why so many people think jesus died on a cross.

  ive been brought up to beleive that he died on a stake.

  where did it come from about the cross?

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  libra_spirit

  I was raised a JW and used to believe the stake thing also.

  One of the things that made me wonder about the stake thing as not really valid. Now if Jesus was showing doubting Thomas his hands and made the comment "holes from the nails in his hands" did this not mean 2 nails. Now if Jesus was on a stake would it not be one nail through both his hands as pictured in the literature, he would have said "nail through his hands" singular. Read the Bible, the quote says nail(s) in his hands. To me I had to question this doctrine, because it really is not what the evidence indicated to me after carefull study of the issue. Also other historians of the time peroid have indicated that Jesus died on a cross.As far as I know this whole concept of Jesus on a cross has never been questioned untill the JW's came up with this idea sometime after Russell died. Charles Taze Russell has a cross on his grave stone! He obviously believed it to be true.
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  Theocratic Warfare at my house part 3, the end

  by freeman in

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  thank you all who responded to my earlier post, i am pleased to say there has been a major development.

  just twenty minutes ago i was sitting at the piano and my wife comes up to me and says, "i talked to the brothers, you were absolutely right, i apologize, he (my minor son) will never go to the meetings again".

  i sat there in stunned shock both happy and sad at the same time.

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  libra_spirit

  Freeman,

  And what did you expect? On the one hand I am happy for you, and especially your son. You can not know how much you would have regretted this later in life if you had allowed him to be programmed as has been the case with my two sons.

  On the other hand, I too felt compassion for my Ex-wife watching her knuckle under to the Elders crap, even with the most important things in her life, which I feel are sacred. Her life is sacred to me, and yet she is willing to submitt to such a discusting role to be submissive to them in all things. I pitty her, and I pitty your wife too. I wish there was some magic words that could be uttered to awaken people from the trance induced by the JW cult, but there is not. At some point you have to realise they want to be there, and then you must move on without them.......

  Warm Hugs, and congratulations!
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  Were you " SPIRITUALLY IMPOVERISHED"?

  by refiners fire in

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  or did you have the truth in your hearts?

  brothers and sisters.

  field service/ meeting attendance/ personal study/ and personal prayer.. how were your key indicators?

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  libra_spirit

  Meeting attendence- I had no choice here, attended them all! Brainwashing was very successfull and all proper levels of guilt and fear were firmly implanted from childhood.

  Personal Study- You have to be kidding, it was my personal study that has helped me finally heal from the crap they layed on me there! Personal study to them is really personal programming with thier garbage literature, written for a 3rd grader!

  Field Service- My absolute downfall, with inactive parents who were looked down on as bad examples, I loathed going in service with all those righteous elders who really had no incentive to help me whatsoever. A most painful expierence to walk up to a house and try to place literature with an actual person who usually seemed to have a stronger faith in God then me. I finally pioneered for a month or so and that was when I realized it was morally wrong, because my faith in my God was so low compaired to the people I was trying to save.

  Personal Prayer- Another crock of shit for me growing up as a JW. I usually never got past the asking forgivenes of sins part, as I couldn't really ask to be forgiven for masterbating, I just plain liked it too much to be sorry for it. All the past, failed promises I had made to God to quit the evil act! It was only after being out of the Org for many years and having tried many other paths to God that I could even attempt such a thing again as "personal prayer!" I don't even like to call it that, I would prefer meditation, or inner guidance, or even communing with God or contacting the Light. The expierence at least now has some measure of meaning to me, but not when I was a JW. I never got any answers to prayers then, and actually, if I had it would have probably been considered demonism...LOL! as all supernatural works, like Jesus performed, were considered evil. The Jw's wouldn't recognise an answered prayer if it happened to one of them, they think it would have to do with thier silly preaching work, rather then a persons sacred path in his own life.
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  Rejection

  by dsgal in

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  i faithfully attended all the meetings at the local kingdom hall...someone was studying with me...i went out in field service.but i never got invited to any of their social events.this hurt me so bad i stopped going to meetings.just curious,anyone else ever experience shunning?

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  You must have stumbled on a "bad congregation" that hasn't been cleaned up yet...............they are supposed to be giving you the "Love Bombing" treatment right now........LOL Unless there is something obviously wrong with you, so that you are not worthy of joining, do you have nose rings or anything strange like full body tattos? Anything that would make you stand out as different if converted into a Watchtower Drone. They will only want to assimilate you if your appearance can be made to fit thier specifications...LOL

  I'm just pulling your chain, LOL I suggest you stay away from them, because they do all seem to move with a single mind on this sort of thing. If you get on the "congregation black list" for association then forget it. You are a bad guy to them, not worthy of spending the time on. Someone to be feared or ignored, and you now have an insiders view of what that is like.

  It could also be that a lot of them are ashamed right now because of the pedophile scandles. They may be having trouble mustering the strength to do thier "Love Bombing" work on the "new ones".

  They aren't supposed to treat you this way until after you are baptized, and they can no longer count thier time with you as Witnessing, which they get a reward for.

  Edited by - libra_spirit on 2 August 2002 16:1:31

  Edited by - libra_spirit on 2 August 2002 16:5:4
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  And I thought I didnt have any.........

  by SpiceItUp in

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  as the general rule i don't scare easily and i am always looking into the unknown corners.

  i like the creepy and spooky.

  spiders and snakes dont freak me out either.

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  Is there one for the fear of not getting enough sex?
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  Watchtower Disrupts Space Time Continuum

  by professor in

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  watchtower disrupts space time continuum .

  as discovered by messenger on this thread, .

  the watchtower has disassociated itself from the watchtower!.

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  libra_spirit

  I hope you don't really think a "minor temporal annomily" like this can bring down the Borg! LOL!

  Why they already have drones working on a patch in the time space continuim, I'm sure.
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  * t g i f *

  by zev in

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  so, whats up for your friday nite, my fellow 'postates?.

  whatchya doing to chill/relax/unwind?.

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  libra_spirit

  zev,

  That is a very impressive little Aposto Com Center! My mouth is waterin', Is that RIG an HP Pentium 4? LOL and where's the Antenna anyway?

  Hope you have a good weekend!

  There is a street fair in town here, I'll probably toodle through it if the weather is sunny.
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  Apostate terminology

  by Mum in

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  my daughter and i, fun-loving apostates that we are, have some terms we use regarding the wt organization and other cults.

  i would like my fellow posters here to tell us their terms, buzz words, etc., to add to our list: to get the ball rolling, two of our favorites are:.

  cookie-cutter theology.

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  libra_spirit

  Lets not forget

  Apostofest- a gathering of apostate EX'JW's

  Along the Startrek theme,

  A Dub Drone or DD(DeeDee)- a mindless follower knocking on doors, presenting an emotionless presentation, believes that resistance is futile!

  Assimilation- getting sucked in then programmed into the JW collective where your identity is sacraficed for the greater vision of the whole group, and your body is taken over and reprogrammed for field service and mindless watchtower question answering. Your hand is programmed to raise during Watchtower studies. All your thought processes are taken over and controlled from the central Borg hive, using the notion that now you are a "True Christian". You can be easily led now to do almost anything simply by stating what any "True Christian should do". All Drones are linked together with this key phrase into one single mindset and one unity consciousness and one set of actions, giving them a sense that they are much more then just one small and weak self. They become very large and strong within thier own mind, just as the Borg in Startrek do.

  The Borg- The Organization, after assimilation you will exist to "service" them, ie you will "go in service" and assimilate others (the similarity is stunning)

  The Borg Hive, B Hive- a name for Bethel or the Org central dissemenation of information center, which brings order to kaos.

  Hive Drones- Bethelites

  Apostates- The good guys who survived and got out, like seven of nine, they still have a working knowledge of the Borgs inner process's so are far more capable of "resistance" which is "not futile" as the Dub Drones believe. Termed the "Evil Slave" they become the JW's most dangerous enemy, because they know the truth about the Borg, and who is really controlling it.

  The Federation- containing a slightly kaotic quality, all the good Spiritual Organizations outside the Borg [Org] who accept one another in peace and do not attack or destroy each others beliefs, but must constantly be on guard against attack from the Borg who considers them insignifigant and kaotic and seeks to steal thier people and resources to feed it's self
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  Help me please!

  by Ardilla in

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  please help me, i need your advice.. when i worked, i met a married guy who liked me.

  he flirted me many times and what i did wrong was to follow his game, but i didn't allow anything between us, although i like him very much.

  i quited to my job two months ago, because other reasons but i can't forget him.

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  Wow, what a bunch of good old prudish family advice everyone is giving you! I'm afraid I have to agree, I was involved in a workplace romance once, we both agreed to keep it "not serious". However she ended up divorced, and I ended up hurting for her till she finally left town. No good will likely come from this. To get involved with someone who is not available requires a lot of maturity and age, and most people just aren't that strong or opened. If you want a relationship where each day you draw love and strength from your partner, then you should look for someone who can at least be there with you. A man with a wife, no matter what he says, will not be there most of the time, so most of the time you will spend alone in a state of "longing for him" as you are now. Since he has to work, he will be there, but on the weekend he will be home with his wife, and you will be alone or with someone else. Don't mess with married men, you will get hurt. That is my advice to you.
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  Human behavioral reason behind present WTS crisis?

  by Derrick in

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  halfway through the article scientists unsure what triggers stranding -- illness, perilous coast may be factors (link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/31/mn185450.dtl) the thought occurred to me, what if there are complex human behavioral reasons beyond anyone's control behind the jehovah's witnesses organization's rapid moral disintegration?

  the above quoted article reads in part:.

  "the mass stranding of pilot whales on cape cod was probably a natural event, marine biologists said tuesday, an accident linked to tight social groupings and the perils of navigating a rugged coastline.

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  I think that a submarine hit them with it's sonar, they all went basically deaf, and are beaching themselves because they can no longer navigate in the ocean. The navy probably knows the reason for this but has hidden it from the public for years.

  It is not some loyalty they are acting out, they are ready to die because they can no longer hear thier own sonar.