I think it's awesome Mark. It looks like a great place to live, but wow look at all those sail boats. There must be a lot of people living nearby. Kind of looks like Juneau on a weekend, the whole channel lights up with billowy sails.
libra_spirit
JoinedPosts by libra_spirit
-
6
Sweeping Panoramic View of Helford River Cornwall
by invisible inbest picture yet, beautiful shot, shows where i spend much of my time on my dinghy.
pan the picture from left to right extreme to fully appreciate.. .
celtic mark - cornwall uk
-
-
-
9
SHaving and JWS
by badboy in.
shaving was a pagan egyptian/greek custom.. should true christians practise this custom?.
-
-
libra_spirit
I remember that phrase
"true Christians shouldn't..." or "therefore true Christians would never....."
You could always find an "old testament" scripture quoted either before or after this statement. Something that came way before Christ. So how it should really be read is
"true Jews shouldn't......."
"therefore true Jews would never......"
LOL!
-
18
Bill will you escape the cult?
by libra_spirit inwill bill escape or will he get sucked back in?
granted everyone stands behind bills stand on child abuse, except ofcourse the abusers, namely the org.
i realize bill wants back in, so he can protect the innocents from the org policies.
-
-
libra_spirit
Hey Celtic,
So did you have a good birthday?
-
18
Bill will you escape the cult?
by libra_spirit inwill bill escape or will he get sucked back in?
granted everyone stands behind bills stand on child abuse, except ofcourse the abusers, namely the org.
i realize bill wants back in, so he can protect the innocents from the org policies.
-
-
libra_spirit
Will bill escape or will he get sucked back in? Granted everyone stands behind Bills stand on child abuse, except ofcourse the abusers, namely the Org. I realize Bill wants back in, so he can protect the innocents from the Org policies. And so he can also spread the good news of the kingdom, before the end comes.
However I ask the question, Bill now that you are out, have you taken any time to read the history of the JW cult, enough time to realize what they truly are? That they have never been sincere, always twisting prophecy to make "the end" seem very close, to keep people worked up and in a state of fear, so they are easily led. The JW' cult has never taken a stand for actual truth, they are deceptive, in doctrine and in works. You say you want back in to help the innocents, and that is all well and good, my question is why go back in. The working of events should by now have convinced you that these people do not stand for truth but deception is thier true game from the top down.
The fact is, in the JW cult, it is who controlls the press, the printing company, that rules. That is given control of doctrine. It is the editor of watchtower doctrine, who wins all these kind of arguements. It is he who holds the largest stock option, that wins the debate. Everyone else gets DF'ed, in an internal fued! Sorry but it has happened before and will again. You can not win against a cult by appealing to the public. You can not win by apealing to other JW's, they will follow the cult mind, or leave with you. You can not change the cult, because they are not a democracy, and you do not have a voice in a theocracy, when you are merely a subject. You are not a GB member, and you do not own enough stock to edit the watchtower. And yet you are too good a person to be silent, as they have asked you to be. Your plight is not anything new, however you have captured the media for a time. In the 70's we had a similiar upheaval over differing ideas of doctrine in bethel, many were DFed and bottom line, the biggest stock holder seized control and publicly DFed his opposers in the GB who actually outnumbered him. All the arguments didn't matter, the truth didn't mater...........he had control of the printing company.
I agree with your speaking out, however what good is my agreement? I agree with your desire to change the Org. however what good is that? I am an apostate. I do not believe the Org will listen to a member, or an outsider, or an apostate. The Org listens to no one, so welcome to the outside Bill. There is life and there is love out here, and there is way more intelligence and freedom! As far as changing the Org. I am still at a loss as to what if anything we can do that has a chance of working. Unless the US govt will draft some laws as to how a cult or Religious Organization is to be run, however in the USA we feel strongly about giving them total freedom to do as they please.
I think we want the same things, open judicial comittee meetings, when someone is DFed the reason should be known not hidden, when someone is reproved, the same thing, we all have right to know why. If they are a pedophile, everyone should hear this. Thier holding to old Jewish laws is not right. But if they want to do the Jewish thing then they should do it right. If there is public punishment there should be public disclosure as to why.
Secondly I would ask that I as a former member of the Org. be treated as family by my family. Once again you can lean on that old Jewish eye for an eye law, and say it is right. I would like to see a more Christian approach, to love even your enemy as yourself. There are much better scriptures to be using, which are being ignored.
Maybe the real solution is for you to start an offshoot, start a new Religion, The "New Light Jehovahs Witnesses." The Mormons went through such a change. Are you any good at editing magazines? A couple more members, form a corporation, and off you go. Form your own GB and take control. A new theocracy!
Edited by - libra_spirit on 13 August 2002 12:33:51
-
6
An Outcry! revisited!
by libra_spirit inthanks for all your comments on my recent post an outcry!.
well i placed my outcry on many ex-jw sites and the result is very obvious to me.. it would seem that most ex-jw's are so caught up in new "like mind" groups that most cannot see beyond this and join in one united effort, one voice.
never was this more evident then the christian ex-jw's boards.
-
-
libra_spirit
Calm down guys.
My post is not a complaint. I do not expect anything from anyone. I am testing the waters, and I got surprise thats all.
My data is based upon actual responses, there is little or no intrest in a Spiritual solution. I do not have a problem with this guys.
Love you all, thanks for responding with your true feelings. That is all I wanted.
I have no problem with others labeling me, that is how they are operating during thier healing process, I respect that.
I have no problems with anyone who believes differently then me, or in there voicing that, I applaud them for voicing thier true opinions, this is essential to comming out of the JW Org.
I have come to a place of non denominational Spirituality and I wish to share that with others in support of Bill. I do not think anyone is really going to listen to him either with his march, anyone that will change anything. But it will be intresting to see what comes of it.
I believe in healing also, and the spiritual nature of it. These are my beliefs I am not here to push them on anyone. I am not here to make anyone feel guilty.
LOL!
-
6
An Outcry! revisited!
by libra_spirit inthanks for all your comments on my recent post an outcry!.
well i placed my outcry on many ex-jw sites and the result is very obvious to me.. it would seem that most ex-jw's are so caught up in new "like mind" groups that most cannot see beyond this and join in one united effort, one voice.
never was this more evident then the christian ex-jw's boards.
-
-
libra_spirit
Thanks for all your comments on my recent post An Outcry!
Well I placed my outcry on many ex-jw sites and the result is very obvious to me.
It would seem that most ex-jw's are so caught up in new "like mind" groups that most cannot see beyond this and join in one united effort, one voice. Never was this more evident then the Christian ex-jw's boards. My message is not taken seroiusly because it does not fall into the new agenda of where everyone is supposed to go. There seems to be no way to unite pagan ex-jw's and Christian ex-jw's and agnostic ex-jw's into a single voice that the Org is abusive and that is really the message! They all see me as a controlling, subversive, seeking to minipulate them, a sucker, a new ager, or they see me as someone to help by converting me to thier new found truth! I am none of those things. And this is really sad, because it is the very thing taught by the Org. Division through doctrine.
An attempt to bring the focus towards the ones who can make a change namely the "governing body" seems futile. As the Christians are busy saving souls from out of it, the pagans are batteling thier fear of demons, and the agnostics don't believe they can make a difference, that it is all in my head or all about money. While I respect all of these paths, I think many are just repeating thier narrow expierence somewhere else, so they can continue to stay narrowly focused, and continue to stay away from a painfull realization that they have been abused.
Like the daughter fleeing an abusive father, she escapes and then immediatly forgets about her sister still back there being abused. She refuses to pray with someone to help this situation because they are not of the same faith. She won't speak out because it is all in her head, or it is far too painful to open in front of others. I don't buy into this, it is deception to me. We have all found other truths outside the Org, we all know there are injustices happening within it, there is a common bond, we can find it.
I have been called a dreamer, an idiot and a poor sap! LOL I have to admit I can't argue with any of these and I can laugh at myself too. I am a poor sap, I agree! But I am not looking for sympathy, dreams, or some higher intelligence. I am looking for a practical way to make change happen. Change comes thru people crying out together, and being heard, refusing to be silenced.
So I ask you all this question in the spirit of truth and sincere curiousity. Before you answer, please drop any desire to change me or enlighten me, or pity me, that's not what I want. But here it is.
How can we effect a change within the Org. ?
The "programming" is very strong to resist this, but I do not accept that there is nothing possible.
-
11
An Outcry to all!
by libra_spirit ina day for world outcry!.
it's time to end the suffering!.
join me sept 1 and 2 (labor day weekend 2002).
-
-
libra_spirit
Good points Mimilly,
Then you believe that I need to remove the Eastern Religion portions of my outcry to facilitate Christians doctrines.
Because they offend Christians. You may be right, I need to find an approach which limits all spiritual doctrine.It is my intent for this not to be an issue of doctrine.
Doctrine usually ends up being a different definition of words anyway.
To a person from India the word "we" has a different meaning then to a Christian. If "we" are a piece of God and return there after we die, then to say "we" are God is OK. Even the Bible says the Spirit returns to God at death. The statement "We are responsible" is just saying "God is resopnsible" in a different doctrine. I have no desire to argue whether "we" are a piece of God or not, we will all find this out at death. So you are right that I need to find a broader perspective if I am to succeed at uniting a Spiritual group to bring a change to a God that man has created.
As far as Jehovah being the God of the "astral plane", this is common knowledge, also from an Eastern perspective. The realms of yin yang interactions, clashing of opposites, battles and vengence, lay in this region of consousness. It is a definition that they have accurately recognised and given a name "astral plane". Since the God of the JW's is a God of these qualities, they have placed it below the planes of pure unconditional Love, that Jesus had truly connected with. The JW's do not recognise a quality of heaven existing above conflict. The source of all things, the "Light", exists without an opposite. This is shown in the Tao, and in Jesus teachings.
To deny that Jehovah exists is in error I believe, there are 6 million JW's praying to him 10 times a week for the destruction of us as EX-JW's or as worldly people. They have created this force on the "astral plane" and they give it true power with thier faith, and with thier emotions. It is correct to identify the true source of this force, recognise how it is working, and deal with it, in truth. Bringing Light to a situation always exposses deception, this is the art of healing. You could liken them to witchcraft, to work in the spiritual realms to bring destruction to anyone is black magic.
I am not sure how to proceed to unite a community of souls, to bring change to this, but I do believe that "we" as Spirit beings are responsible, especially us who know the truth, have participated, and are now turning a blind eye to its continuing.
Thanks to everyone for your comments.
Love,
Dave L
-
1
An Outcry on Sept 1! (revised)
by libra_spirit ini will be asking for a healing and a change to take place within the jehovahs witness organization, and within myself, having to do with my "connection".
it is up to us to ask for a change, it is time for us to ask.
we must be heard!
-
-
libra_spirit
A day for World Outcry!
It's time to end the suffering!
Join me Sept 1 and 2 (labor day weekend 2002)
Join me on this day with your prayers, your love, your desperation, your pain, and your desire to make an outcry! One that will be felt around the world!Consider 6 million Jehovahs Witnesses around the world praying to Jehovah, a God of vengence, to destroy us EX-JW's, and all worldy people, over 10 times a week. Do you really think he does not exist? Consider the harmful fruitage of this, the sorrow and the human suffering. Healing is bringing the "Light" that exposes deception. I urge everyone to join in at this time and participate in whatever way you feel comfortable expressing your feelings. This can be a time of healing and drawing together, and a time to ask for change.
The following is how I intend on observing this.
I recognise that I am "connected" to this and have played a part in it already.
I will be connecting with my inner Spiritual presence and asking God to hear this message. I will be asking for a healing and a change to take place within the Jehovahs Witness Organization, and within myself, having to do with my "connection". As these people have a connection with me that needs to be healed. I desire freedom. They have refused to release thier hatred towards me, and thier division in my family. As thier ill will toward me is never ending I must cry out!
Since I left the Jehovahs Witness Religion I have gone through many changes about my belief system, and come to many painful realizations of the lies, of the family bonds painfully broken left in bitterness, of friends lost to suicide and other forms of self destruction.
I guess there is one Spiritual part of me that has never been purged, and I call it "Calling in the Karma". It represents my lingering thirst for justice, my hatred for what is bad. I believe that when a wrong has been done to so very many people by a single group. When there are so many out there who have been dislodged, shaken, and are hurting and in pain. There is a moment when everyone turns to Spirit and asks, can there be an end to this? Will you "Spirit" or "God" please intervene? This is a moment of desperation. It is time for a change to come that will end this process! The great Jehovah, God of my youth, God of vengence, God of the Jehovahs' Witnesses, it is time for your anger to be released from my life. It is time for what they are sending out to be stopped! It is time for thier power to be toppeled! For thier high and mighty arrogance to end!
Oh please Spirit hear me in this one thing, and do your job now that fairness and love and justice may once again be possible within my life!I have the inner belief that the wrongs will end. It is a Spiritual belief that I hold on to.
As good people continue to be cast out, judged, and divided from families. As pedophiles and power seekers continue to remain in control. As the Organization continues revenues of $950 million. As many innocent children die from denial of medical treatment. I ask that we all come together asking Spirit in whatever form we are connected to it, whether it be prayer, meditation, healing work, counciling, or just plain emotions of pain. We all unite in one very large and powerful outcry! It is time to "Call in the Karma" for this Cult led by decietful men. They must face up to thier intention of harm towards me, they must change, or thier power must be toppeled. I have a spiritual right to ask this because I am the constant victim of thier doing. I have the duty to stand up to them on thier playing field and expose them for what they are.
On the first day of September, Sunday, and over the Labor day weekend, may we all ask for this in unison. One great voice to the universe that we be heard. Our outcry is one of pain and will be heard all the way around this planet. As for me, then I will let it go, I will then ask for healing in my life to replace this desire for vengence, and for Love to replace my bitterness. I will release the vengence back to God, and then I will carefully watch to see what happens!
This is hidden from the world behind programmed responses from members claiming it is thier choice and thier decision to do these things. We who have lived inside and are now out know the truth of where these practices originate, the Governing Body of men that are in absolute control of this group and work behind closed doors, hidden from scrutiny, refusing to be held responsible for what they do. It is up to us to ask for a change, it is time for us to ask. If we do it in unison we will be heard! We must be heard!
Join me on this day with your prayers, your love, your desperation, your pain, and your desire to make an outcry! One that will be felt around the world!
I ask that not a physical hand be turned against anyone in this conflict of faith. Not a single act of any violence be directed against anyone who is a Jehovahs Witness or an EX- Jehovahs Witness. This is an outcry to "Spirit", an outcry to the Universe, and an outcry to those in power. I ask only that the outcry be heard and undeniably recognized by all the world.
We are not evil, we are not bad, we do not deserve to be killed by God!
We do not deserve our own families to be teaching this about us!
We do not deserve 6 million people asking God for our destruction! We recognise this as slander towards our spiritual character and we ask for spiritual justice.
We have been trodden upon, raped, punished, and many of us have lost the will to live and have died. All for the seeking of purity of a few who are in power, preaching a god of vengence.Please circulate this message to everyone that you know who is or has been connected with the Jehovahs Witnesses' Religion. And any from the Spiritual community who wish to participate. This is a non denominational outcry.
May Love and Peace be the result, and an end to the needless sufering!Edited by - libra_spirit on 10 August 2002 17:41:13
Edited by - libra_spirit on 10 August 2002 17:59:27
Edited by - libra_spirit on 10 August 2002 18:16:21
Edited by - libra_spirit on 10 August 2002 21:40:31
-
11
An Outcry to all!
by libra_spirit ina day for world outcry!.
it's time to end the suffering!.
join me sept 1 and 2 (labor day weekend 2002).
-
-
libra_spirit
(If God is an all-knowing god, then don't you think he already knows what's going on?)
This is one of the traps of a cult that lead you to a state of non-action and desperation.
If there is one thing I do know about God, it is his absolute prime directive not to interfere in our battles. The Gods we create on the astral plane, do what we empower them to do. You can see this from history. The JW's have created a God who is allowed to hurt many, with thier strong sadistic approval. To balance this, we must create one to neutralize him, or appeal to a "higher Loving God" to remove his power, to stop the damage to us. Take your choice. We can also appeal to everyone to at least recognise there is a problem here. This can be done with telepathy, prayer, or meditation, whatever you wish to call it, it works, and it can change the social conscoiusness. The emotional message will be heard by the Spiritual comminity.
Irregardless of the outcome of this, I intend on ending my personal Karma with these people and resting my case. I will be done chasing spiritual rainbows and trying to make any more changes on my own. I wish to move on with my life.
We are the creators of these little Gods, of vengence, and it is our belief and faith that gives them power. It is higher love that removes that power. Karma is the process of us balancing it using the power of spirit. Then we can be released from the battle. This is Spiritual truth from India. We are responsible for our condition, and we can change it, at the level of Karma.
(What is the purpose of your prayer? What is the aim of it?)
As I said, to appeal to the "God of Karma" to remove the JW Governing Body from power or signifigantly change it, balancing thier Karma. And for me personally to remove myself from this battle, and replace it with Love and healing.
This is a method found in almost every spiritual path out there. It should be recognised by many healers.
It is a "one last shot" before I give up!
It is a cry from my desperation, to a God I am not certain of, and I want to know if it will make a difference. If it does not I will at least know I have tried my very best. I will walk away free of guilt because I have taken my stand.
(We can't turn the Karmic wheel ourselves)
This is not true, all through history this has been done. A large enough outcry and it will be put into motion! A deep enough desperation, and it will happen! Many spiritual paths teach of becomming cause in this way, working through the universe to balance the forces found there. We can have an effect! It is our non-action that will allow it to continue as it is.
Edited by - libra_spirit on 9 August 2002 20:2:27
-
11
An Outcry to all!
by libra_spirit ina day for world outcry!.
it's time to end the suffering!.
join me sept 1 and 2 (labor day weekend 2002).
-
-
libra_spirit
Please, tell me what you all think about this!
A day for World Outcry!
It's time to end the suffering!
Join me Sept 1 and 2 (labor day weekend 2002)
Join me on this day with your prayers, your love, your desperation, your pain, and your desire to make an outcry! One that will be felt around the world!
Consider 6 million Jehovahs Witnesses around the world praying to Jehovah, a God of vengence, to destroy us EX-JW's, and all worldy people, over 10 times a week. Do you really think he does not exist? Consider the harmful fruitage of this, the sorrow and the human suffering. Healing is bringing the "Light" that exposes deception. I urge everyone to join in at this time and participate in whatever way you feel comfortable expressing your feelings. This can be a time of healing and drawing together, and a time to ask for change.
The following is how I intend on observing this.
I recognise that I am "connected" to this and have played a part in it already.
I will be connecting with my inner Spiritual presence and asking God to hear this message. I will be asking for a healing and a change to take place within the Jehovahs Witness Organization, and within myself, having to do with my "connection". As these people have a connection with me that needs to be healed. I desire freedom. They have refused to release thier hatred towards me, and thier division in my family. As thier ill will toward me is never ending I must cry out!
Since I left the Jehovahs Witness Religion I have gone through many changes about my belief system, and come to many painful realizations of the lies, of the family bonds painfully broken left in bitterness, of friends lost to suicide and other forms of self destruction.
I guess there is one Spiritual part of me that has never been purged, and I call it "Calling in the Karma". It represents my lingering thirst for justice, my hatred for what is bad. I believe that when a wrong has been done to so very many people by a single group. When there are so many out there who have been dislodged, shaken, and are hurting and in pain. There is a moment when everyone turns to Spirit and asks, can there be an end to this? Will you "Spirit" or "God" please intervene? This is a moment of desperation. It is time for a change to come that will end this process! The great Jehovah, God of my youth, God of vengence, God of the Jehovahs' Witnesses, it is time for your anger to be released from my life. It is time for what they are sending out to be stopped! It is time for thier power to be toppeled! For thier high and mighty arrogance to end!
Oh please Spirit hear me in this one thing, and do your job now that fairness and love and justice may once again be possible within my life!
I have the inner belief that the wrongs will end. It is a Spiritual belief that I hold on to.
As good people continue to be cast out, judged, and divided from families. As pedophiles and power seekers continue to remain in control. As the Organization continues revenues of $950 million. As many innocent children die from denial of medical treatment. I ask that we all come together asking Spirit in whatever form we are connected to it, whether it be prayer, meditation, healing work, counciling, or just plain emotions of pain. We all unite in one very large and powerful outcry! It is time to "Call in the Karma" for this Cult led by decietful men. They must face up to thier intention of harm towards me, they must change, or thier power must be toppeled. I have a spiritual right to ask this because I am the constant victim of thier doing. I have the duty to stand up to them on thier playing field and expose them for what they are.
On the first day of September, Sunday, and over the Labor day weekend, may we all ask for this in unison. One great voice to the universe that we be heard. Our outcry is one of pain and will be heard all the way around this planet. As for me, then I will let it go, I will then ask for healing in my life to replace this desire for vengence, and for Love to replace my bitterness. I will release the vengence back to God, and then I will carefully watch to see what happens!
This is hidden from the world behind programmed responses from members claiming it is thier choice and thier decision to do these things. We who have lived inside and are now out know the truth of where these practices originate, the Governing Body of men that are in absolute control of this group and work behind closed doors, hidden from scrutiny, refusing to be held responsible for what they do. It is up to us to ask for a change, it is time for us to ask. If we do it in unison we will be heard! We must be heard!
Join me on this day with your prayers, your love, your desperation, your pain, and your desire to make an outcry! One that will be felt around the world!
I ask that not a physical hand be turned against anyone in this conflict of faith. Not a single act of any violence be directed against anyone who is a Jehovahs Witness or an EX- Jehovahs Witness. This is an outcry to "Spirit", an outcry to the Universe, and an outcry to those in power. I ask only that the outcry be heard and undeniably recognized by all the world.
We are not evil, we are not bad, we do not deserve to be killed by God!
We do not deserve our own families to be teaching this about us!
We do not deserve 6 million people asking God for our destruction! We recognise this as slander towards our spiritual character and we ask for spiritual justice.
We have been trodden upon, raped, punished, and many of us have lost the will to live and have died. All for the seeking of purity of a few who are in power, preaching a god of vengence.
Please circulate this message to everyone that you know who is or has been connected with the Jehovahs Witnesses' Religion. And any from the Spiritual community who wish to participate. This is a non denominational outcry.
May Love and Peace be the result, and an end to the needless sufering!Edited by - libra_spirit on 10 August 2002 22:0:45