Posts by Lieu

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'Waiting on Jehovah'

by Dia in

isn't this just a pitiful way of saying, 'i can't deal with my anger'....'just be passive and be quiet and don't have any expectations'....'life is just too difficult; count me out'....'i can't have any impact anyway so why should i even try?

'....and of just sitting somewhere on the very outside and just daydreaming of how god, or maybe even spiderman, is just going to come along one day and then, then really, "i'll show you!

"

Lieu

I wonder what would have happened had David (being the newly annointed King) sat around saying, "I'll wait on Jehovah", while Saul was trying to kill him? ... Interesting

If everybody in the Biblical record just sat around "waiting on Jehovah", there would be no Biblical record of anything.

Personally, I always thought it was I'm "waiting on Jehovah's promise" to ultimately be fullfilled...until then I will continue on with my life doing the best that I can.

"Waiting on Jehovah" as used by JW(s) amounts to sheer and utter laziness....it basically means I shall make absolutely no effort to deal with this issue whatsoever.

Sad.

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WT View of Battered Women

by MrMoe in

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"maybe this time he'll change"

machismoa global problem

Lieu

Some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities

Why doesn't that read "All battered women need to seek assistance from the authorities"?

At times, a point of crisissuch as the intervention of the policecan cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of his actions.

Yes, "the first time".... drag the scum bag to the pokey.

Admittedly, however, any motivation to change often vanishes once the crisis has passed.

Admitted by whom? Motivation is when psycho family members named 'pooky' and 'lil man' come to pay the batterer a visit. :)

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Chances of life Life on mars!!

by haujobbz in

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"life on mars" mmm i wonder what jws would say on the matter,maybe adam and eve visited mars( just joking).anyway what do you think, will they find life on mars.

Lieu

I used to wonder that if God created angels and mankind, why would we (JWs) think he was incapable of creating some other sort of life form that could live on Mars or some other planet in the vast universe. It used to make me think that an all powerful God was limited by our (JWs) own limited interpretations of the universe and sheer vanity.

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Royal Priesthood antitypical GB?

by YoursChelbie in

why is it that the wts likens their "governing body" with the royal priesthood of israel when it attempts to reason that it has god's holy spirit and backing, while at the same time, when this same jewish priesthood in discussed in a negative context it is never likened to the governing body.

every time that the same jewish priesthood's is said to be the object of god's wrath, the wts says that it actually represents christendom and the judgements it will receive.

it appears that the wts is only likening themselves to the royal priesthood of isarael when it is convenient for them.

Lieu

.....St. Minimus.......

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Royal Priesthood antitypical GB?

by YoursChelbie in

why is it that the wts likens their "governing body" with the royal priesthood of israel when it attempts to reason that it has god's holy spirit and backing, while at the same time, when this same jewish priesthood in discussed in a negative context it is never likened to the governing body.

every time that the same jewish priesthood's is said to be the object of god's wrath, the wts says that it actually represents christendom and the judgements it will receive.

it appears that the wts is only likening themselves to the royal priesthood of isarael when it is convenient for them.

Lieu

So when are the elders going to be named 'saints' minimus?....is that silliness soon to come to 'light' (TM) also?

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Royal Priesthood antitypical GB?

by YoursChelbie in

why is it that the wts likens their "governing body" with the royal priesthood of israel when it attempts to reason that it has god's holy spirit and backing, while at the same time, when this same jewish priesthood in discussed in a negative context it is never likened to the governing body.

every time that the same jewish priesthood's is said to be the object of god's wrath, the wts says that it actually represents christendom and the judgements it will receive.

it appears that the wts is only likening themselves to the royal priesthood of isarael when it is convenient for them.

Lieu

Seriously? ... They actually wish they were ancient Israelites and cannot see past 1BCE. Its fine with me because I think they are exactly like ancient Israelies....a stubborn and stiff necked people.

GB members are "spiritual terrorists".

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'Harboring a criminal'

by Dia in

do they not meet the definition?

it is a crime in itself.

what is the punishment?.

Lieu

I would say, yes indeed. You have to remember that NYC is an extremely political place. Now think about the WBTS being able in NYC to "aquire" the amount of landholdings it has.....and in Brooklyn to boot.

This requires the say so of high level politicians, housing inspectors, zone inspectors, city solicitor personnel, the DA, and I won't mention the Union bosses who keep their personnel from complaining about the loss of a building contract...etc. Then add in the Gov. of NY state and the Gov. of Pennsylvania and their cronies.

Shall I continue? ... What does this say to you about the WBTS? What would a few detectives be up against?

Edited to include items.

Edited by - Lieu on 30 July 2002 13:53:10

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Looking after orphans and widows

by ozziepost in

christian organisations around the world have a long-standing interest in rendering physical and material aid to those in their communities who find themselves in need.

in recent times, the wts have reacted to criticism that they have not lived up to the apostle james' admonition to "look after orphans and widows in their tribulation" (james 1:27) so on their media website, they make a statement entitled "contribution to the community".

so, how do those claiming to be the true christians render such aid.

Lieu

I'll guess Oz,

Nowhere does it say that they are "looking after widows and orphans"....nor does it state that any of the abovementioned activities are part of some well regulated and specific "program". It also does not say that there is any monetary or food assistance for those in need.

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Why do the Governing body remain unknown?

by sleepy in

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why do the governing body remain unknown to witnesses in general?.

i used to think that the fact that the gb promote themselves (personnaly by name) in the magazines and don't name writers of watchtower articles, was a sign that the governing body was humble and meek.. but why did they take this policy?russel and rutherford were certainly not unkown.when did the transition happen?.

my theory is that this annomimity is use to make the magazines look like they are not aurthored by men.if an article appeared with the writers name , witnesses may choose to reject what is writen as they can see it was writen by a man.but not nameing the writers makes it hard for witnesses to identify the writers as just human like them, and gives the impression the magazines and books have a divine source.. any other ideas?

Lieu

Like jjrizo...

It may be they do not wish for members to know that they DO NOT write the WT&AW articles. This could cause a problem as members would conclude the "FDS" is not the one feeding them.

According to the writing desk any ole bro and sis can write / submit an article. (see Branch procedure manual)

From the recent corp changes, one could tell the "FDS" hasn't written anything. Why? Because they said they were leaving the corp spots so that they could tend to spiritual matters (or something to that sort)...from the latest articles, it appears that the "FDS" has once again assumed some sort of role in the writings....now the mags really don't make any sense and appear to be returning to the very old dogma!

Edited by - Lieu on 28 July 2002 17:55:46

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Organization non-members ARE approved by God

by YoursChelbie in

does the bible contain accounts of persons who, while not active members of "organized" religion have god's appoval?

if it does, this would contradict watchtower teaching, since they often claim that anyone who's not a baptized member of their organization will suffer destruction.

further they claim that only active members of their "organization" have god's approval.

Lieu

Plenty of examples, some already mentioned like Ruth and then there is Rahab (neither were Israelites but both are in the ancestral line to Christ)

The Best example is Job...a non-Isrealite.

Another example is the man whom the Apostles tried to stop from expelling demons using Christ's name, simply because he was not accompanying them. Jesus told them to basically leave that man alone..."for he that is not against us is for us."

At the start the disciples were like JWs...an elistist thinking "you must be with us" group. Jesus had to 'correct' them so often for their lack of humility that they even began to irritate me reading abut it.

From reading the Bible, I saw that the early disciples did not start on their journey to behaving Christ-like until AFTER recieving the Holy Spirit.

*Really IMHO it isn't even important what Christ died affixed to...the fact that he died (was killed) the death of a criminal, for our sakes, is what's important.