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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

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  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  Lieu

  Jesus or the Messiah was the ultimate "repurchaser", so to speak. With his blood buying back mankind from sin. No amount of goat, sheep, pigeon, or ram's blood would equal a human. There ya go.

  Besides, Jesus was not saddled with sin. Why? No human sperm. Remember, it's because of a man sin entered into the world, not because of a woman.

  (Even though Adam's lady part Eve was complicit in the whole lying-thievery episode.)

  Also, there's no just the act of Adam. It's everyone that came in history through his, well, boyz. His unborn progeny. Paul? rattled on about Abraham giving (when giving Melchezideck a tenth of everything he had) while the Levites gave too because they were considered to be inside Abraham at the time. That line of thinking pretty much covers everyone.
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  Is there new light on Yoga

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  Why does that blue room theme remind me of Palpatine's chamber? Is that round metallic thing one of those spaceship transporters like in the movie Stargate?
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  Russell's sources for his ideas - a diagram of what Apocalypse Delayed Ch. 1

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  according to apocalypse delayed, russell got many of his ideas from a conference called albury park.. .

  here are the sources of his ideas for eschatology:.

  and lastly, here are the sources for the ideas that jw's claim make them "the truth": rejection of the trinity, hell, and the inmortal soul..

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  Oh the beards!!!! I wonder if any are wearing tight pants?
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  LET'S EXPLORE A LITTLE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. beliefs

  over here on the left we have a governing body which is inspired directly by jehovah to receive his instructions for how to worship and interpret the bible accurately.. on the other hand, on the right we have a governing body which isn't inspired nor directed by jehovah, but which is making the best guesses they can make as mere humans as to proper worship and bible interpretation.. here is our thought experiment.. what differences would we see or would have seen in the last 100 years of jw teaching in each instance, .

  and how would they differ?.

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  Lieu

  They're wrong too much and then they constantly lie about it. Pretty much just a bunch of liars who do absolutely no charity and tell other people Jesus is not mediating for them, and the doors to heaven have been shut. They display that the least in God's Kingdom should be washing the feet of the greatest from kingdom halls to Bethel. Oh, and give us your ice cream money.

  That's not God's Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, nor the Holy Spirit.

  Satan.
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  How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may be some of you will be shocked by this question.

  however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.

  of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.

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  No worries Caleb. I'm not offended. I don't mind being right, wrong, or in between.

  Kaik:

  Paul, et al. He may have been a Roman citizen but Rome was new in the region as far as Empires go. Greek was still the "international" language as well as its customs. So the 1st Century Christians were living in a heavily Hellenistic Greek society, not a Roman one, not yet.[ One reason the NT is written in Greek and not Latin. Also recall all the references to the Hebrew speaking Jews & Greek speaking Jews, etc.]

  So whenever I read something he's saying. I keep in mind he's speaking to people heavily influenced by Hellenistic mindsets and practiced.

  Women? Well women are at times at the level of worship & their advice is greatly sought after. Some hold an enormous amount of wealth. Open forums where someone speaks can get quite rowdy with everyone yelling out questions and such.

  Actually, scholars debate whether Paul even wrote Timothy. Paul's writings have too many say hello to a female & thank her for her work. Plus Jesus behaved in a different manner towards women.

  Sexual issues? Well, he's talking to people who live in the land of the orgy. A social norm. Pedophilia, beastiality, etc.

  Debating teachings? Greeks were famous for mindless debating & debating just for the sake of debating (no purpose).
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  How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may be some of you will be shocked by this question.

  however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.

  of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.

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  Caleb,

  I understand fine, IMHO. Seems throughout Israelite history, the prevailing thought process is what caused some serious problems for the people. No peace. But that's for its own thread.
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  Witnesses and anxiety disorder

  by mana11 in

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  2. medical

  i saw this on a public user group for jw's .

  the librarian [email protected].

  the caption reads:.

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  Lieu

  Yes, go out in service and ignore your worsening problems!

  Oh, Armegeddon is coming soon and since you aren't pre-chosen, I think that book bag is insufficient; might get you killed.

  Pep pep!
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  How dishonest was the Apostle Paul?

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  may be some of you will be shocked by this question.

  however, when i was studying the bible with critical eyes i detected that paul ( or saul of tarsus) misquoted the hebrew bible in order to get false support for his arguments.

  of course, this tricky kind of use of the "scriptures" was not only used by him, but others, like the author of the gospel of matthew got unsupported doctrines misquoting verses.

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  Lieu

  No one can actually follow Torah. Why, because there's no Temple, no Arc, and no records of who may be a Levite (for the High Priest) ... and mostly because no one has any cattle & PETA.

  As for Paul, even Peter commented that he wrote stuff which was hard to understand. Personally, I think the WT fails in its interpretations because

  1- They understand nothing about the ancient Hellenistic world and it's various areas

  2- No understanding of ancient Greek and word usage

  3- Lack knowledge of ancient Hebrew parables/stories. Ie. the lady with the 7 husband trick question. [Apparently bad angel Azazel was in love with her & kept killing her husbands]

  4- They read the writings of Middle Eastern peoples from a purely Western viewpoint (And a US one at that).

  5- Sometimes "letters" just weren't meant for everyone everywhere. That's why they are letters and not "scrolls" (aka scripture). Personal correspondence.

  6- The Apostles in Jerusalem were pondering scrolls, they weren't concerned with some private letter to Timothy (which Paul likely did not write).
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  Daughter of Elder Reinstated Within Months!

  by disillusioned 2 in

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  a young sister in my husband's congregation who is the daughter of an elder has been reinstated in a matter of months.

  whereas another sister in the same congregation has been disfellowshipped now for nearly two years!.

  seems like it's who you know..

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  That's normal at the Animal Farm. Some are considered more equal than others. 😈
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  Reserve currencies and China.

  by zeb in

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  2. current

  in october 2015 there will be a huge move likely to include china into the worlds "reserve currencies".. this is likely to see a run on the us dollar and trading that is done in us dollars.. i am not predicting gloom but it will impact on all of us and perhaps may be behind the obsession of the wt to stack up as much real estate and the green stuff as they can..

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  IF the dollar flushes, a mountain of it won't be worth a roll of toilet paper. It becomes completely worthless as a currency.