Lieu

Joined

• started 2 topics
• posted 1,109 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Lieu

• 
  27

  Old Light - New Light: Changes in WT Doctrine

  by NewLight2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wt 12/1/1894 p. 384.

  wt 5/1/57 p.274.

  wt 11/15/28 p.344.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Oh and someone plz call an electrician .... their light switch is so oooh broken.
• 
  27

  Old Light - New Light: Changes in WT Doctrine

  by NewLight2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wt 12/1/1894 p. 384.

  wt 5/1/57 p.274.

  wt 11/15/28 p.344.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  From my understanding, the point of the matter is this: claiming the knowledge however erroneous is not coming from men but God himself. Remember, the small group of guys unequivocally state they are being "spirit directed". They are saying the mistakes are not mere imperfect human (gross) error, its the Holy Spirit. The HS told them falsely.

  ...... And that everyone is the unforgivable sin. Attributing wrong to the Holy Spirit.

  -------------------------------------

  1 John 4:1 WEB

  Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

  1 John 5:5-6 WEB

  Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? [6] This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
• 
  45

  RC Was Worse Than I thought...

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was visiting with my family and it seems the rc was worse than i thought.

  now they all seem to think that "we are so close to the end" and that the "brothers are really preparing us for the gt".

  some even saying that soon our message will change to a judgement message for mankind and talking about how we need to improve "everything we do".

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Slick videos, imo. Certainly they are using outside/contract production groups. I think a larger portion of JW are female so going the emotional angle may keep quite a few around a bit longer for whatever nefarious reason. The master is delaying and maybe their arms are tired from beating their fellow servants. Use some tech to gain obedience; saves energy, lower cost.

  Intersting info about moving to a judgment based message. Judgements are for real prophets and post 1st Century, only for Christ. I suppose they could pronounce judgements on the Congos but that would be same ole same ole.

  I just hope they don't completely snap one day and start making video with subliminal suicide messages.
• 
  69

  All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.

  http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  I don't know about everyone else here, but that's a very nice coffee pot in the bunker video.
• 
  87

  The last video in the 2016 convention...

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

  bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

  he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  OT push, done. Persecution complex, done. Obey, loyalty to an org, done. Carrot dangled. Done.

  I'm eagerly awaiting a short movie on that Jesus fellow the NT keeps mentioning.
• 
  15

  'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

  i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

  not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Those issues from the link are chock full of the crazy. However, everyone (if you flip a page or so) will be happy to know that the big A is not fought between men or even angels and men. It is the fight between the two angelic sides.

  Ok, continue your search.

  The info you are looking for is likely in the Finished Mystery which contains 100 or so "prophesies". 1914 was originally the date for Armegeddon, not the enthronement. But after the whole 1870's debacle(s) .....
• 
  15

  'Kingdom of God's birth in heaven in 1914' - first reference?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone tell me please when was the first time that the wts published something to the effect that the kingdom of god was born in heavens in 1914 / jesus enthroned invisibly in 1914 ?

  i see an obscure reference to an article in a golden age magazine in 1930 but i can't find the actual quote,.

  not looking for quotes that talk about the "coming" or "presence" since 1914. i'm looking for actual mention that the kingdom started in heavens in 1914. when was the first ever time this was clearly said in the publications?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Hmmmm. This one is march 1934

  

  https://archive.org/stream/1930-1934TheGoldenAgeMagazine/1930-1934_Golden_Age#page/n123/mode/2up
  
• 
  9

  The battle lines are being drawn

  by hillfy333 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the new rc conventions making their rounds, much has been leaked in regards to their loyalty videos.

  disturbing is the ramping up of hatred and shunning towards those who have faded, especially if such ones according to the watchtower are living in sin, but have not been found guilty as yet by the judicial process.

  certainly of the criteria of guilt, is talking against the gb, which i personally come under.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Therein lies the real problem Billy, no one is paying any attention at regular meetings let alone conventions. It's too boring, intentionally I think. Humans aren't hardwired to sit through hours of lecture with no interactions. No one learns anything in such a manner. No matter the size, you can't ask any questions so you sit there ... just being.

  You miss a lot of the crazy being said simply because you've tuned the speakers out and have moved over to internal thoughts (about your legs going to sleep, willing yourself to keep your eyes open, the chair hurts, is it lunch break yet .... toilet run, daydreaming etc)

  People remember and like the dramas because of the interactions, it entails more than a guy standing at the podium lecturing.
• 
  21

  What does the Armageddon Genocide Actually Accomplish?

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why murder 8 billion non-believers to just turn around and resurrect 20 billion other non-believers?

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Maybe it's for bird food? However, if people were destroyed by an intense fire, there wouldn't be anything for the birds to eat but ashes. So ....
• 
  5

  The world is about to come to its end and what does the Watchtower do?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  they buy a hotel!

  yep in 1975 when the world was about to come to its end the borg buys the brooklyn hotel for 2 million dollars.

  this information has come out now do to the fact they have put up this property for sale.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Lieu

  Odd how leaked RC videos show a couple selling their house to downsize as the HQ moves in a modern and larger housing direction.