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  ARMAGGEDON has arrived !!

  by refiners fire in

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  how often does that thought cross your mind?.

  it played on mine yesterday.

  ive got a very expansive view across the melbourne flatlands and yesterday i looked out the back window and saw this dark grey storm wall coming in with rain so heavy that it was like a solid sheet of grey, swallowing the land.

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  Lieu

  When young I used to have those.....funny how they seem to take after a scene out of the 'Paradise Lost Paradise Regained' (tm) book, isn't it? I think that book did more mind damage than anything else ever printed by WBTS.

  As I got older, the big "A" didn't scare me anymore, after reading the Bible, I concluded that all Christians were admonished to be joyful at its arrival....not afraid!

  Its odd how the term "fear inspiring" has become equated with "terrifying" .... I guess JWs are a terror driven org as a whole.
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  WHY DO JW'S USE MORE OLD TESTAMENT THAN NEW?

  by minimus in

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  every book that is published, every magazine written ,highlights the hebrew scriptures as opposed to the greek.do you think it's because most christians stress christ's words and jw's need to be different?

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  Yes, Christ, Paul, James, etc....used the OT to prove that Christ was indeed the fortold Messiah. They also referred to incidents in the OT as WARNINGS and also incidents of faith. NEVER did they refer people to following the Mosaic Law codes rules and regs. In fact, the big to do in Acts was over the Jewish Christians intending to impose the circumcision on the Gentile Christians.

  The big to do with the Jews charging Paul before his death had to do with his telling people they were no longer required to carry out the Mosaic Law.....'ya darn skippy he did.

  If you want to live under ANY aspect of the Mosaic Law, than you have to live under ALL aspects of it....you're gonna need a whole lot of cattle for that.

  Besides that, if you wanna impose the Code on others, than you have just made Christ's sacrafice meaningless. What you would be saying is that Christ died for NOTHING....and Jah wasted his time and Son on you.

  "Furthermore, though YOU were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of YOUR flesh, [God] made you alive together with him, he kindly forgave us all out trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." -NWT Col. 2:13,14

  Sure, the OT is a good reference in helping any Christian prove that Christ is the one the text points to as the Messiah. Its beneficial in to understanding what the heck is going on but it isn't meant for Christians to be under that code. It gives us a reference for absolute joy to know Jehovah has given Christians a much better arrangement.
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  Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

  by 67mustang in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested in ray franz.

  can anybody comment on him?

  i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

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  Personally, I refuse to be like the WBTS Writing department .... folks are gonna have to read the book themselves and then come back to discuss it.
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  Communist Party vs. The WTS

  by sunshineToo in

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  list all the similarities, please.

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  Russia wasn't "Communist" it was "Socialist"...just to get that straight. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I guess it was more fun to say commie than socie...but in any event, they were never communist. Nothing communal about the old republic.

  Communism is what 1st Century Christianity and small tribes (still untouched by civilization) practiced. You gather up all the resources, bring them into the center of the camp, and divide the portions up equally among the people. No one person is in control of the resources.

  In general,communism, means that the ENTIRE community holds ownership to the land, food, etc. See the word "community" in communism?

  Socialism is a whole different ballgame. It means that a small centralized group speaks for and holds all ownership within the community. Supposedly for the good of the community; which seldom ever is. Like Fascism (one person holding all power) Socialism provides the masses with absolutely no rights and controls all facets of the gubmint.

  The WBTS is Socialist in nature. It claims to be Facist, when claiming that Christ holds all power (since 1914)as King, but the small group has usurped his power and made themselves in charge. So, during their coup d' etat....the WBTS figurativelly killed off Christ from being in charge.
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  I went to the Convention on Friday. NOW with pict

  by Lady Lee in

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  i was bored to death.

  i deposited cards around the place that said .

  stop.

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  Oooooooooh!, the one lady is wearing a pretty blue PANTS suit from this era!!!..........ooooooooooooooooh!
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  What "SIN" do elders respond to fastest?

  by Dismembered in

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  maybe it's just me but, it seem like "elders" respond extremely quickly to "sexual misconduct" as long as it does not involve their own family members.

  true or false?

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  telling their wives off produces the fastest JC I've ever seen!
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  Question for all Jw.com

  by haujobbz in

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  i dont know if you been asked this before but what made you give up your religious beliefs,i assume that not all on here were jehovahs witnesses so if you were not please say.well i will telll you why i left, i got baptised as a jw 2 yrs ago and then started to notice say 6 months after baptism that the followers didnt really heed the what they were being taught it didnt seem to motivate them in their hearts, to say display genuine love it was more like a routine to them to be at meetings,talk to same ones,read watchtowers,it seemed so mechanical like robots,im not saying this is what caused me leave because i was serving genuinely i was really interested in practising what i preached,but i found it hard because everyone wasnt trying to do the samething.so then gradually i started to question things and then i got the internet last year and was itching to look on these so called apostate sites,you see i wanted to prove these sites wrong but in the end i was proved wrong with things like prophecies,jws past history,etc.

  so thats my story

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  The half a scripture quoting out of context thing has driven me not to frequent.
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  WHY DO JW'S USE MORE OLD TESTAMENT THAN NEW?

  by minimus in

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  every book that is published, every magazine written ,highlights the hebrew scriptures as opposed to the greek.do you think it's because most christians stress christ's words and jw's need to be different?

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  Lieu

  Also, I think the mediator stuff gets in the way too.

  See, the OT has emphasis on human mediators .... whereas the NT, has emphasis on well, an invisible one.

  Since the GB does not see fit to allow Christ to be the mediator for all JWs....emphasis on the NT would cause too many problems for JWs.

  People would start to think Christ was supposed to be thier mediator, that they were supposed to have their training continued by the Holy Spirit, that the Elders are primarily there for upbuilding and are organizers of special activities (such as distributing food baskets and making sure the poor in the cong have what they need), that they aren't supposed to be cursing other people, and that love is the enduring quality....could you imagine the rukus that would cause?

  Its better to hold emphasis on the psycho behavior of the Israelites....besides the OT Mosaic Law emphasized how people could NEVER do enough to be forgiven of sins....this fits in well with JW dogma.

  Edited by - Lieu on 22 July 2002 1:25:16
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  WHY DO JW'S USE MORE OLD TESTAMENT THAN NEW?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  every book that is published, every magazine written ,highlights the hebrew scriptures as opposed to the greek.do you think it's because most christians stress christ's words and jw's need to be different?

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  Because Christ is the focus of the NT....that doesn't jive with JW's.

  JWs are into rules and consistently compare themselves to the Israelites.

  All other Christian denominations reject being compared to whining, idol worshipping unappreciative, apostate rejecters of Christ, who at last were rejected by God. Go figure?!!

  Edited by - Lieu on 22 July 2002 1:7:19
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  Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

  by 67mustang in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am interested in ray franz.

  can anybody comment on him?

  i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

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  Lieu

  Farkel, why bother responding to Bleep?

  Bleep is 29 yrs old and has found that "it" (he/she) has less knowledge and understanding about the Bible than the atheists on this site. "It" is upset.

  "It" does not remind me of Abraham who basically tried to barter with Jah for the lives of the Sodomites. This man had probably the biggest heart (only topped by Christ) of any Bible personage....that was why he is the only one referred to as God's friend. "It" does not emulate Abraham and does not even come close to Christ.

  "It" (like most JWs) reminds me of Jonah....all upset cause Jah changed his mind and didn't raise Nineveh to the ground as Jonah wanted. Throwing a 'hissy fit". "It" reminds me of the all day workers who on being paid the same as those who came later...started whining and complaining. "It" definitely reminds me of the Pharasies, always scheming to curse others...while declaring "it" itself to be righteous. "It" does not pay heed to 'love your neighbor as yourself" and as a professed Christian, "It" has chosen to ignore one of the two greatests commandments. Therefor, "It" is not worthy of being replied to as the love of God is not in "it".

  "It" runs around emulating the 'accuser' and we all know who that is.....could "It"'s master beeeee....Satan?