Posts by Lieu

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How would the Governing Body treat Jesus if he were on earth today?

by unbrainwashed in

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they would criticize him for "independent thinking" and eventually disfellowship him for apostasy for not going along with their religious system and doctrines, don't you think?.

oh wait...that's kind of like what the sanhedrin did to him 2,000 years ago..

Lieu

That's about right but not before saying he was "bad association" for eating with and entertaining/cheering-up less desirable (weak) brothers.
He'd definitely have to go if he used full context parables without using the out of context norm.
Should he be seen talking with the Samaritan woman (or any woman OMFG) then he'd be "accused" of loose conduct.
The single brother visiting his friend's sisters (also his friends) could cost him some gossiper's allegation of immorality and brand Lazerus' sisters as whores.
Lazerus' death would be an alleged result of immorality and poor field service hours.
Any mention that he is appointed mediator upon completion of his mission would send the elders into a tizzy fit shouting apostacy! They might stone him for denying the WTBTS as mediator....that one's up for debate.
Going in FS without a territory map would get him banged.
Not reporting time would get him 'seriously counseled'.
A failure to place literature will get him labled.
Conducting any miraculous ventures would cause him to be called demon possessed....as would touching a Smurf.

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No information for the great crowd in the bible......................

by vitty in

im not very articulate and find it hard to explain myself but here goes-------------------.

i always wondered (not too deeply).

everything was about the hope for a resurrection in heaven, nothing about an earthly paradise.

Lieu

That's that Masonic stuff permeating into JWism. No other Christian sect has such silliness (except maybe the Mormons...and that fellow was a Freemason too.)
The Freemasons have little secret groups within the bigger group that they refer to as the "elect" .... wording used by Russell and Rutherford quite a bit. Only the "elect" after completing a bunch of rituals and various other acts were supposed to be told the real meaning of everything.

If you have a small central group that has "secrets" and "secret meetings"; particularly apart from the whole group .... then they aren't Christian.

There are no secrets in Christianity and Christ was transparent as were the biblical Apostles. If the Bible had been written by the GB of JW's, no one would have a clue what happened at the meeting in the book of Acts...heck, there probably wouldn't be a book of Acts....everything is such a damn secret with that Org.

THeir interpretation on the GC is incorrect as has been so many other intepretations they have made. I'd ignore it, the Bible was written for everyone not just those who think they are "more special"...not very Christlike IMO.

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Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?

by jwfacts in

the watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.

as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.

but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.

Lieu

For the above post..... it should say : Russel changed the date and formula a few times until it fit 1914. Patterned after Miller, of course.

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Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?

by jwfacts in

the watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.

as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.

but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.

Lieu

No, aside from WWI. (Actually, Russel changed the date a few times.)

Russell and Miller had some issues with numerology. Dude was (and most of his followers today are) serious number nut(s).

When the JWs try to figure out dates, they remind me of occultists looking into crystal balls. I've never seen so many lust so hard to find a date they aren't supposed to know anway.

I never did believe the date stuff and I always felt dirty when it was discussed at length in a lesson.....Jws are like Adam & Eve in the fashion they think its alright to steal (knowledge) from God because they'd like to know.

My .02

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Up to our elbows in Newbs on JWD

by IP_SEC in

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wow, what's going on here?

i look at all the new folk here that seem to have joined in the past 2 months and are posters who are under 100 posts and i gotta wonder why.. has something happened in dubland recently to cause a lot of folk to reach out?

if you are new here at jwd, how did you find us?

Lieu

Welcome new folks!!!

From the guilty as charged of the forgot the intro post section.

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Does Genesis 1:26 support Devine Trinity???

by zagor in

i've seen several comments about trinity, so here goes another one: .

please read again genesis 1:26

this is very interesting paragraph and many times is being used as a proof of trinity as it says let us create .

Lieu

An easy correlation between God and Christ as His Word is the account of Moses and Aaron.

Not that God is a poor speaker but the relationship is the same.

Moses imparted the message and Aaron was his Word, so to speak.

Exodus 4: 14 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put the words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. 16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people; and it shall come to pass, [b]that he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou shalt be to him as God. [/b]17 And thou shalt take in thy hand this rod, wherewith thou shalt do the signs.

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Is Early Christianity the Basis For JW Practices?

by OldSoul in

early christianity: what was it like?

did the early christians ask the public for donations to fund their ministry or other works?.

did the early christians encourage believers to distribute communications from the apostles and older men in jerusalem to the public as a primary part of their ministry?.

Lieu

From the Commentaries of Luther on Galations:

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"Paul is speaking of a far better liberty, the liberty "wherewith Christ hath made us free," not from material bonds, not from the Babylonian captivity, not from the tyranny of the Turks, but from the eternal wrath of God.

Where is this liberty? In the conscience.

Our conscience is free and quiet because it no longer has to fear the wrath of God. This is real liberty, compared with which every other kind of liberty is not worth mentioning. Who can adequately express the boon that comes to a person when he has the heart-assurance that God will nevermore be angry with him, but will forever be merciful to him for Christ's sake? This is indeed a marvelous liberty, to have the sovereign God for our Friend and Father who will defend, maintain, and save us in this life and in the life to come.

As an outgrowth of this liberty, we are at the same time free from the Law, sin, death, the power of the devil, hell, etc. Since the wrath of God has been assuaged by Christ no Law, sin, or death may now accuse and condemn us. These foes of ours will continue to frighten us, but not too much. The worth of our Christian liberty cannot be exaggerated. Our conscience must he trained to fall back on the freedom purchased for us by Christ. Though the fears of the Law, the terrors of sin, the horror of death assail us occasionally, we know that these feelings shall not endure, because the prophet quotes God as saying: "In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment: but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee." ( Isa 54:8 .)

We shall appreciate this liberty all the more when we bear in mind that it was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who purchased it with His own blood.

Hence, Christ's liberty is given us not by the Law, or for our own righteousness, but freely for Christ's sake. In the eighth chapter of the Gospel of St. John, Jesus declares: "If the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Joh 8:32 He only stands between us and the evils which trouble and afflict us and which He has overcome for us.

Reason cannot properly evaluate this gift. Who can fully appreciate the blessing of the forgiveness of sins and of everlasting life? Our opponents claim that they also possess this liberty. But they do not. When they are put to the test all their self- confidence slips from them. What else can they expect when they trust in works and not in the Word of God?"
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What was taught and endured by the first century Christians started going to hell before the real Apostles died. Why do you think they said the apostasy had already started before their deaths? What we have today is nothing close to what they had. By the third century, I believe Christianity was completely screwed up from its roots and most of the Christians were dead from persecution under the hands of the Romans.

People have been searching hard to find the truth and freedom while some have been searching for a reason to enslave.

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''YOU are my witnesses,'' Trump card (and comfort blanket)

by MidwichCuckoo in

this, i find, is always the bottom line.

'" "'you are my witnesses,'' is the utterance of jehovah, ''and i am god.

as his name is jehovah, the people must be jehovah's witnesses.

Lieu

How can one fix their sanity (claiming to be Christian) to just jump over Christ and claim to be witnesses of God? If you aren't witnesses of the Son, I doubt seriously you are witnesses of the Father.

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''YOU are my witnesses,'' Trump card (and comfort blanket)

by MidwichCuckoo in

this, i find, is always the bottom line.

'" "'you are my witnesses,'' is the utterance of jehovah, ''and i am god.

as his name is jehovah, the people must be jehovah's witnesses.

Lieu

#1. Its silly to think God picks people depending on when they are born and not on their heart condition. Its even sillier for a bunch of foolish men to tell God when he should stop picking.

More like JW originators closing up the gates of Heaven so they won't enter and no one else can.

#2. A witness is someone who can testify on something seen or heard first hand.

I doubt the GB has seen or heard much of anything while hiding in NY. They claim to hear stuff but its never right. Most of the old heads were 20 or so when they became Bible Students and never grew out of their juvenile foolishness.

#3. Why bring Jesus into a conversation dealing with JWs?

He's insignificant in their minds, they ignore him altogether, jump the chain-of-command, and go straight to being witnesses of Jah. Never mind that sacrifice or heavenly arrangement business.

#4. How long did it take for JW bosses to include the word "Christian" in their title?

People. They (the bosses) don't want to be Christians, Christianity implores way too much freedom of mind. They want to be something of a mixture of Free Masons in accordance with Canonical Judaic Law.

They want to Lord. You can't Lord over free people, so forget the Christ stuff, its too nice for them. The only way to do such is to ignore being a witness of, gasp, Christ and go for reverting to an ancient Israelite; which allows small minds to behave like the priesthood saying," we still need sacrifices you sinners".

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5/23/05 KM Article "Jehovah's Day is Near"

by TheListener in

to be covered during service meetings week of 5/23/05.. q&a.

1. christians ardently desire the coming of jehovah's day, through which he will destroy the present system of things and usher in a new world of righteousness.

(2 peter 3:12,13, ftn.

Lieu

...and with stockholders to boot. Some who aren't JWs and quite a few females. Everyone knows stockholders shape the direction of every corporation.