Everything is not about sex. I chock that up to the corrupted minds of some Western European societies (only some). That comes from being bombarded by a religious society obsessed with sex.
Posts by Lieu
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15The story of Jonathan and David, is this male bonding or something else?
by James Mixon instart at 1 samuel 18;1-4..now imagine if this story had been about jonathan and a woman.. 1 samuel 20:30..saul calls jonathan a son of a perverse rebellious woman!
the blame for his.
behavior goes first to the mother, who was too soft," or too harsh who perverted his son somehow.. 1 samuel 20:41-42.."they kissed each other and wept with each other".. so was it merely deep friendship or a romantic relationship?.
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The story of Jonathan and David, is this male bonding or something else?
by James Mixon instart at 1 samuel 18;1-4..now imagine if this story had been about jonathan and a woman.. 1 samuel 20:30..saul calls jonathan a son of a perverse rebellious woman!
the blame for his.
behavior goes first to the mother, who was too soft," or too harsh who perverted his son somehow.. 1 samuel 20:41-42.."they kissed each other and wept with each other".. so was it merely deep friendship or a romantic relationship?.
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Lieu
Middle Easterners would consider a son going against his father perverse, particularly a King's son and heir. Jonathan in effect is giving up his throne as crown prince. Saul wife doesn't want to be bothered with a husband out farting around with idols and their ceremonies involving temple hos; ancient STDs and such.
The kissing and whatnot is a normal male thing throughout Africa, the Mediterranean, Eastern Europe, SE Asia, and the Middle East.
Only societies with sexually repressed males find it odd. They also find nudity odd, so. Ie. Don't get around Italian men or Jewish men, they greet each other with kisses and hugs. (Not handshakes which I can understand, considering)
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Here's a view on homosexuality for you...
by konceptual99 in...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.
all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.
homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.
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So called Christians are busy throwing rocks at the very ones Jesus said his message was for. JWS don't know what they're doing by condemning others. -
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Here's a view on homosexuality for you...
by konceptual99 in...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.
all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.
homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.
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Lieu
Good thing they weren't in ancient Greece, Sparta, and Rome. Boy were they something else!
Homosexuals get the same punishment as adulterers, child molesters, liars, murderers,, the greedy, etc. It's a pretty long list
Paul was a murderer, so I wouldn't worry too much about being forgiven.
1 Timothy 1:7-11 NET
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or the things they insist on so confidently. But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, [9] realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, [10] sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers-in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. [11] This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me.
Christ didn't pop down for righteous people; his message of mercy and forgiveness wasn't for them.
1 Timothy 1:12-15 NET
I am grateful to the one who has strengthened me, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he considered me faithful in putting me into ministry, [13] even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I was treated with mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief, [14] and our Lord's grace was abundant, bringing faith and love in Christ Jesus. [15] This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance: "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners"-and I am the worst of them!
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“Even if this wasn’t the Truth, I need the structure.”
by Londo111 ini remember many years back a fellow ministerial servant saying this to me.
he felt that even if jehovah’s witnesses were not the only true religion, the regimented routine of meetings and field service and the strict rules and enforcement provided a beneficial structure for his life.
at the time i thought if this wasn’t “the truth”, i’d have no need for all that “structure”.
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Lieu
I'm with rebel8, guy should have joined the military if he wanted "structure".
Of course, after a certain amount of training and time the military expects you to be able to function on your own, progress in making improvised decisions, and ultimately lead others. That could be a small problem for someone refusing to think for himself.
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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Lieu
An alternative would be actual Christianity. Or simply following the example of Christ in your daily life.
Don't let anyone ask you "where will you go"? There is no "where". The scripture reads "To WHOM would we go" (John 6:68) and of course that "whom" is Jesus.
If you want Christianity then you have to go to and through Christ, not man.
The WTBTS has lied to the majority of its adherents by telling them Jesus isn't their mediator. The GB has placed itself in that seat. Well, if you don't have Jesus as your mediator, then you don't have God. Period.
So.
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Where does WT get their money?
by Dreamerdude ini assume they get most of it from cash donations and assets left in wills.
there may also be some income from invested assets.
i guess they get a lot of money from old jws who die childless or with only df'd kids.geographically i assume they get it mostly from a few countries that have many publishers and strong economies.
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Lieu
Who knows LostanfFound.
It isn't for any "world wide work". The publishers are doing the "work" world wide ( in retrospect, they ARE the world wide work) but I haven't heard of monies being given to Congregations where members may be in dire need of monetary help.
Weird how they discourage buying a new house or car so close to "the end" while they're out buying/building new HQs and other large aquisitions.
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Watchtower State
by nelim ini was watching a documentary from last week about saudi arabia.
there are many human rights violations going on, supported from islam ideology.
apparently is(is) is an off-shoot of saudi society.
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Lieu
The Saudis are Wahaabists. This is a form of Islam made up in the 1950's, as is Saudi Arabia.
As for JWs, I wouldn't put much stock in their view of paradise. Lots of uneeded middle men in that picture.
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Waking People Up With Well Thought Out Comments
by JW_Rogue inis it possible to have an effect from the inside?
with well thought comments that reveal more of the history of the organization?
the next book we study will be "god's kingdom rules!
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Lieu
Noooope! One thing I did learn in psychology class : The hardest thing to do is to change the way people think. (Particularly if they are happy thinking the way they do).
With a lot of JWs, there's not much thinking at all, just rote existence.
I will say this tho'. Do you think first Century Christians faked the funk for the sake of consoling their families? Or did they speak up for themselves and what they felt was true? To death they went & they knew it was a likely consequence.
You think it's bad for friends & family to throw you away, just imagine a lion ripping your arms off.
The decision and outcome is yours.
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Quotes JWs Don't Like...
by JW_Rogue in"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take".
"you always regret the things you didn't do more than the things you did".
"think for yourself, question authority".
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Lieu
Good luck