anyone in the uk watching this seris?
last one on next tuesday.
the first two can be watched online here:.
Now, THIS is the stuff that they should be teaching in churches...
Full disclosure and all that...
Of course, the churches would soon be empty, after an honest discussion of the real origins of the bible.
Zid
I would go to church if they did teach this! It would be honest of them.
To be honest, the seris isn't saying much that hasn't been said in The Bible Unearthed, and one of the writers to that book was interviewed in the show.
i was born in the 70's and my jw mother spanked us a lot... actually, beat us is more accurate.
i know of other people from the same generation (lol!
) and it seemed to be somewhat common during that time period within the organization.. i also remember wearing a lot of second hand clothing and having pretty dismal school lunches and we were simply not allowed to ask for anything - needs or wants.
Well I was not raised as a JW but my memories of childhood are exactly the same. I think that is just society generally (UK). I get the impression your dad wasn't an elder, because they always seemed to me to be spoiled pampered c*nts who always seem to get what they want!
i found this site where one can download watchtower talks and old publications.
lots of stuff there.. .
http://www.myiphonestuff.info/qwotes/reexamine/.
Thanks for that. It that the book of talks that the elders had? I always wondered about that.
anyone in the uk watching this seris?
last one on next tuesday.
the first two can be watched online here:.
Anyone in the UK watching this seris? Last one on next Tuesday. The first two can be watched online here:
im just curious about a couple things:.
1. most of you seem to be pretty satisfied that you left the the witness world but now that your gone what drives you now?
what makes you excited about life?
Well, you know we won't shun you for going back- Best wishes.
im just curious about a couple things:.
1. most of you seem to be pretty satisfied that you left the the witness world but now that your gone what drives you now?
what makes you excited about life?
1- I'm now at University and my drive at the moment is to do my assignments, and afterwards to get a good job from my education. Yea- finding love is also a drive. The thing is that really we shouldn't need a religion to give us a (false) reason to live. I enjoy films and going out for a drink, but these are not things I live for. They are fun to do.
2- I don't think I post here much, but it is easy to just take a look at what is topical and maybe comment if the whim takes you. Usually between work. Most people have internet on contract so it's just a case of getting your money's worth using it. It is a community of sorts.
3-I am decidedly an atheist. This is not a decision I came to easily. I decided it after reading many books on the issue of religion, the bible, science and spirituality- among other subjects (I could give more detailed reasons but it would go on and is worth several threads)- besides reflecting on my own experience. Even now I find myself calling on God when I feel stressed or worried- but I stop myself. He never answered me when I did worship him.
4- Counselling? I sometimes think I should have had that, so if you feel you should it is probably a good idea. I read some cheesy self help books, some good, some bad. I took them all with a pinch of salt, but I think I got some focus from reading them.
If you want to know which books and more detailed reasons you can PM me.
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i have my idea why the wts waxes so strongly against higher criticism, so i would like to hear the views of others on this matter.. i do not want this thread to degenerate into a discussion on the merits or otherwise of higher criticism, but rather for this thread to explore the reason(s) why the wts has to be so adamantly against it.. as a clue to my own thoughts, i suggest that consideration should be given to the wts's silence -- as far as i am aware (and i am open to correction) -- on the subject of lower criticism (and other forms of analysis).. doug.
I think their main reason for not mentioning it is that it isn't one they get on the doors very much, and it is a subject I haven't seen many TV shows mention. So, they won't want to make people awair. I'm sure in time it will be more well known. It is worth knowing when you are recovering from the mind control of a bible based cult.
our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.
i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.
but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.
Hi Noble heart, my two-pennuth:
You don't owe them the truth, and they should be greatful you are turning up at all! If you say you are doing the ministry they have no right to question your word!
You leave when you feel, and by whatever method you feel. Personally I reccomend you just simply fade away without any letter or anything. It affords you opportunities to talk to other doubting witnesses both family and non family, while if you make it formal they will all be conditioned in to not talking to you.
Before I left I actually stopped doing the ministry, but I clocked 1 hour each month. They knew I wasn't doing it, and I knew they knew, but they didn't bother question me. It's a long story. But I didn't have any family in it. I can imagine that would complicate things much more.
You are doing right waiting for the right time to leave with as little fuss as possable.
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i have my idea why the wts waxes so strongly against higher criticism, so i would like to hear the views of others on this matter.. i do not want this thread to degenerate into a discussion on the merits or otherwise of higher criticism, but rather for this thread to explore the reason(s) why the wts has to be so adamantly against it.. as a clue to my own thoughts, i suggest that consideration should be given to the wts's silence -- as far as i am aware (and i am open to correction) -- on the subject of lower criticism (and other forms of analysis).. doug.
Higher Critisism presents a very plausable alternative explanation about where the bible came from and how it was written. The only reference the WBTS have made (to my knowlege) is in the book- Bible-God's Word Or Mans?- Naturally it misrepresents the concept and paraphrases it to a laughable extent. A more full explaination here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_criticism
Or a very good book here:
this is my first post after lurking for months.
hopefully i won't make any mistakes while typing and trying to post this so please bear with me!.
i had a bible study with jehovah's witnesses and i stopped the studies with them a couple of years back.
Hi Salsa Girl- I can so relate to what you described! Well done for noticing so early. I didn't notice till years after I joined, and by the time I left had taken a lot out of my life that I'll never be able to get back.
I have found reading books about the true orogins of the bible and Christianity help counter the information given by the JW's. They do put up a convincing argument- I wish I'd looked at their attitude like you did.
I does make me wonder why they bother promote this loving welcoming image when in actuality they universaly do not live up to it, or for that matter why they do not universally live up to it when they promote such an image.
