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  Deprogramming... yourself.

  by confliction in

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  so, the title pretty much explains it.. .

  i've come to a pretty definite conclusion for myself as to where i stand, and how i feel about the existence of a deity- let alone the idea that wts has divine backing.. .

  my issue is that, being born in, i have lots of subconsciously ingrained phobias and behaviors burned in so deep, i constantly catch myself thinking and reatcting to things the "witness" way- things that don't apply to my life or the way i (want to) live my life anymore.. for example, because of the way i've been raised and indoctrinated, i've grown a serious aversion- you could say almost a literal fear- of worldy people; girls in particular.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Hey, confliction.

  I left the Borg at 18, too. The difference was I had not believed in it for several years by the time I left. And it STILL took a long time to get rid of that crazy programming.

  You are normal and perfect just the way you are. Don't be hard on yourself and expect instant change. Take it easy on yourself. You have been through a lot.

  What I'm trying to say is, it takes time. It really just takes time. Several years. So relax, get out there and live your life in the real world as best you can, always use critical thinking skills, and one day you'll think about it and realize almost all the borg programing has fallen away.

  It's not going to happen over night.

  But that's ok. It really is.
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  PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT- CULTURE

  by serenitynow! in

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  so as not to hijack another thread i decided that a thread on culture could be useful.

  i'd like to provide a safe place for people to talk about cultural norms or abnormals.

  you don't want to learn that you've done or said the wrong thing by gettin' a fist in the face, know what i'm saying?.

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  lisaBObeesa

  broken promises said: "Well, instead of taking it upon yourself to answer the question, you could have left it for a black poster to answer it.

  Fair enough.
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  PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT- CULTURE

  by serenitynow! in

  1. jw
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  so as not to hijack another thread i decided that a thread on culture could be useful.

  i'd like to provide a safe place for people to talk about cultural norms or abnormals.

  you don't want to learn that you've done or said the wrong thing by gettin' a fist in the face, know what i'm saying?.

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  broken promises said: " If the word hurts them so much, then why do they use it?"

  To take the power out of the word? Who knows? Maybe ask a black person who uses the word and find out. But really, who cares why blacks use it? That's beside the point that is being made. The fact is it is it is insensitive, rude and thoughtless for whites to use that word.

  (personally I don't think blacks should use the word either. It drives me crazy to hear kids in my classes throwing it around all the time like it's nothing. To them, when they say it IS nothing. I think they are mistaken. I think they are doing themselves a diservice using that word. But maybe I just don't understand.)

  Para said: " In my opinion, the challenge isn't how to act or treat "blacks" as the original post was pointing out. It is to stop seeing someone as black and it's a two way street. So long as we all identify ourselves by our color, we are drawing focus to what makes us differenent."

  The thing is that while blacks and whites have no human differences (there is only one race, the human race...we are all the same inside), in this country, at this time in history, blacks and whites DO have some CULTURAL differences. The differences do seem to be along color lines and it makes sense because of how separated the races have been in our receint past.

  These two races in this country have had a couple hundred years to grow their separate cultures...10 or 12 generations pretty much isolated from one another, and only 1 or maybe 2 generations together.

  Culture is a powerful, important thing. NOBODY wants to lose their culture. It's a part of a human beings identity. So I don't think most black people would ever want to stop calling themselves black, because in our society that would be denighing part of their culture...giving up a part of who they are.

  Now that we are living together, over maybe the next 10 or 12 generations our cultures will slowly blend and the differences in culture won't be as large. But it is going to take that kind of time.

  For now, today, this is how it is.
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  PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT- CULTURE

  by serenitynow! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so as not to hijack another thread i decided that a thread on culture could be useful.

  i'd like to provide a safe place for people to talk about cultural norms or abnormals.

  you don't want to learn that you've done or said the wrong thing by gettin' a fist in the face, know what i'm saying?.

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  lisaBObeesa

  I will never, ever for the life of me understand why people think that if blacks can use the N word than whites should be able to, too. Hello....because of RECIENT HISTORY. The wound is fresh. For some people it is very fresh! There are still tons of racist people who use that word in the bad way! Try a little understanding. It's hurful and uncomfortable and thoughtless for whites to use that word.

  Can't we try to CARE about other people's feelings more than we care about 'our right' to say a (horrible) word because blacks say it?
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  The generation changed is explained in the June 15'th WT!

  by life is to short in

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  it is here in writing the new generation change.

  on page 5 of the of the wt while talking about the annual meeting report.. "john barr gave the third and final talk.".

  "john barr made clear that the gathering wound not continue indefinitely.

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  "How comforting it is to know that the younger anointed contemporaries of those older anointed ones who discerned the sign when it became evident beginning in 1914 will not die off before the great tribulation starts!"

  Wow. It's getting to be a mouthful, isn't it?

  How long until it changes to:

  "How comforting it is to know that the younger anointed contemporaries of those anointed contemporaries of those older anointed ones who discerned the sign when it became evident beginning in 1914 will not die off before the great tribulation starts!"
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  summer is almost here. what is your favorite concert to go to

  by rockmehardplace in

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  i love the jimmy buffett shows.

  i go to several each year.

  so far, i am planning two but may do a third as well.

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  lisaBObeesa

  I'm hitting a few.... May: Robert Randolph. June: Jamie Lidell. September: Willie Nelson, with special guest Ryan Bingham

  Just saw The Avett Brothers. that was a really fun show!
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  How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

  by jwfacts in

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  it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

  it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

  in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

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  lisaBObeesa

  As a teenager, before the the internet, somehow I knew that all they cared about was the organization and not God. When they came to question me I just went on and on about how I doubted God exisisted. I told them that IF He did exisist, well then surely the WTBTS was His org (made me throw up in my mouth a little, but somehow I knew I had to say it), but that I just had these doubts about God himself that would not go away. (in fact, my views were just the opposite: I believed quite strongly in God, and was sure the WTBT was NOT his organization.)

  It worked fine. After one very long Q&A/"encouragemet" session, they left me alone.

  All these years later I love finally seeing the written proof that they could care less about God or your belief in Him.

  And the written proof that taking blood gets you DA? priceless!

  Thanks so much for all your work, JWfacts!
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  Victoria Jackson

  by linp24 in

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  this is probably the wrong area for this topic, but i have a question.

  i have been watching just a bit of victoria jackson speaking at a couple of the tea party gatherings and also some of her tv appearances.

  i have the feeling that she is engaging in a most profound form of irony.

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  lisaBObeesa

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF_JdL0iIQw

  At first I thought it was an act, and I still hope it's an act, but I'm starting to doubt...
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  "Mind" Blowing Article on Watchtower Indoctrination! MUST READ!

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. watchtower
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  the author (from australia) makes some great points.. http://www.noelbatten.com/watchtower.pdf.

  46 pages long.

  some excerpts:.

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  lisaBObeesa

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  When you learn about covert hypnosis you can see it's techniques are clearly being used by the WT. Interesting, and kind of scary, stuff.

  (Watching Darren Brown on youtube shows how easily covert hypnosis can be used on people.)
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  No I don't believe anyone here has been permanently warped by the Borg any more than your parents could do the same to you.

  by gubberningbody in

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  you are who you are so much more due to your own peculiar genetic inheritance, and this is what eventually prevails.. there was a longitudinal study i read a number of years ago that tested the idea that we all have inborn "happiness setpoints".

  these people in the study were followed through 20-25 years and periodically examined as regards their self-reported measures of happiness.

  the finding was that no matter what happened either positively or negatively in their lives, within 8-12 weeks they were universally back to their baseline.. this means a couple of things:.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Gubberningbody,

  What exactly did you lose when you left the JWs? Your wife? Your mom? Your dad? Your son? Your daughter? Grandparents? Every single friend you've had for your entire life? A belief structure you've lived since infancy and is all you've ever known?

  Did you lose any of these things?

  And why do you think that people who have been so injured and are posting here are 'picking at their scabs'? Why can't you see people dressing their wounds and supporting one another through their long recovery?

  Anyway, I'm real glad you're all healed up and feeling good.