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  October 7th Ex-JW gathering in San Francisco

  by Stacey in

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  i hadn't seen any recent posts about this event.

  tonight i spoke to paul thomason, the organizer of the event.

  he said that last year they had about 18 in attendance.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Maybe......I will be there.........Maybe.

  --LisaBObeesa
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  Programming Through Post Hypnotic Suggestions

  by Victor_E in

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  i went into the knowledge book to pull some post hypnotic suggestions that were the constant diet of fussy gummy thinking that can lead to fear and paranoia.

  pg 10 if life in paradise appeals to you, let nothing hold you back from gaining the knowledge of god.. this is a blanket all or nothing statement that registers in the unconscious mind as i need to do all the jws tell me with no exceptions, to have the paradise life.

  satan is opposition to god through your study of the bible........you will not let pressures to prevent you from what is right .......satan ruthlessly tries to intimidate anyone ......you should always.....remember and appreciate jehovah.....you help opposers gain appreciation.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Ok, Victor! I love this sort of stuff! You did a great job.

  Here is my take on it:

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  Pg 10 “If life in Paradise appeals to you, let nothing hold you back from gaining the knowledge of God.”
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  #1 pre-conventional morality. (Gain knowledge of God to get the REWARD) This is how a 4 year old decides what is right or wrong, and how to behave.

  #2 loaded language. Anyone who has ever studied with the JWs knows that ‘gaining knowledge of God’ = READING WT PUBLICATIONS. So this sentence says, “If life in Paradise appeals to you, let nothing hold you back from reading WT publications.”

  #3 “If life in Paradise appeals to you,” makes the statement apply to everyone, and “let nothing hold you back from taking in knowledge of God” makes it appear that everyone has no choice but to read the WT pubs if they want to see Paradise (Because of the loaded language.) There is no support for this conclusion in this statement.

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  Pg 12 “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step” (Jeremiah 10:23) Today, the truthfulness of that statement is more evident than ever. Thus, historian William H. Mc Neil notes: “The human adventure on the face of this planet has been an almost uninterrupted series of crisis and disruptions of society’s established order”
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  #1 The quote by William H. Neil is an Appeal to authority. The reader must determine if this guy really is an authority on the subject at hand, and if his quote is taken out of context or not. How many JWs do this?

  #2 This quote is used to support the conclusion that: it is MORE evident today than ever before that ‘it is not to man to direct his step.” The quote from the historian does not support the idea that anything is more evident today than ever before, and so does not support the WT conclusion. In fact, this quote seems to say things have NOT changed at all.

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  Pg 13 “Some claim that the Old Testament is for Jews and “New Testament” is for Christians. But according to 2 Timothy 3:16, “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.” Therefore, a proper study of the Scriptures must include the entire Bible.
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  #1 “Some claim the Old Testament is for Jews and the “New Testament” is for Christians.” This statement, together with the conclusion, implies that other, non-JW, Christians think you only need to read the NT. This is a straw man, because this in not the view of most ‘other Christians’.

  #2 I want to mention the use of ‘some’ ‘some people’ ‘some religions’ in the WT writing. It always means “WRONG PEOPLE”. Check it out in any Wt pub. Therefore, anyone who has read WT pubs knows at the very beginning of this sentence that whatever that is to follow is wrong, because ‘wrong people’ believe it, say it, or do it.

  #3 The argument is fallacious because if you were a Jew, 1 Timothy 3:16 would not support the conclusion, because you don’t read the NT!! Circular reasoning.

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  Pg 21 “As you study the Bible, you are likely to learn things that differ from what you have been taught in the past. You may even find that some of your cherished religious customs do not please God. You will learn that God has standards of right and wrong higher than those common in this permissive world. This may seem overwhelming at first. But be patient! Carefully examine the Scriptures to find the knowledge of God. Be open to the possibility that the Bible’s counsel may call for an adjustment in your thinking and actions.
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  #1 translation:
  “As you study with JWs, you will learn things about the Bible that are different than you learned before. You will find out your favorite religious holidays are bad. You will learn that God has more rules than most people think. You won’t like what we teach you and you may not believe it. But keep studying anyway! Carefully read our books and listen to the JW who is studying with you. Let your mind be open to an ADJUSTMENT in your THINKING and behavior.

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  Pg 60 Satan is very likely to stimulate opposition to your pursuit of the knowledge of God through your study of the Bible. It is sincerely hoped that you will not let such pressures prevent you from practicing what is right. (John 16:2) ……Satan ruthlessly tries to intimidate anyone keeping the knowledge of God. However, you should always remember and appreciate the wonderful things Jehovah has done. You may even be able to help opposers to gain the same appreciation.
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  #1 translation:
  Satan will use people to try to get you to stop studying with the JWs. Satan ruthlessly attacks people who are JWs. When this happens, keep thinking about the pictures of Paradise we show you. You might even get these same people to become JWs instead of serving Satan!

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  Pg 167 The congregation also serves as a shelter, a protective refuge where you can feel secure. In it you will find honest hearted people who are striving to do what is right in God’s eyes……No matter how distressing your problems may be, you have a valuable resource available to you – a loving congregation that will stand by you in times of affliction or deprivation.
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  #1 This paragraph is such BS, I can’t even say anything about it.

  --LisaBObeesa
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  The Day After Armageddon

  by Tatiana in

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  the day after armageddon.

  hey, maybe it won't be so bad after all!.

  april.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Speaking as a parent, I can tell you that holding a naked baby over your head is not a good idea.........

  --LisaBObeesa

  (see over the word 'never')
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  My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"

  by Ranchette in

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  well, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.

  i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.

  i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.

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  Dear Mom,

  So let me get this straight: You think that since I am not a JW I am going to turn you into the authorities durring the Big A?

  And you think that because I am not a JW, my son is going to die in a war?

  And you think the Bible fortells the end of the world in our lifetime?

  And you think you are stating "FACT", not trying to be mean?

  Please tell me where the "facts" are because I don't see any. Just a bunch of guesses. Maybe you should look up the word "fact" in the dictionary. And since you don't have any "FACTS" in this letter, I am left to conclude that despite what you say, this letter WAS intended to hurt me and WAS mean.

  Love,
  me.
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  10/1 WT: Creative days = 7,000 years

  by Seeker in

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  the fourth paragraph on page 30 in the october 1, 2001 wt says this:.

  "getting back to paul's statement in hebrews, we note that he pointed out that "there remains a sabbath resting for the peoples of god," and he urged his fellow christians to do their utmost "to enter into that rest.

  " this shows that when paul wrote those words, "the seventh day" of god's rest, which had started some 4,000 years earlier, was still in progress.

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  I bet the cat got out of the bag because this is another recycled article. I bet if we went back to the '60s or '70s we would find the article that was re-hashed and sometimes just re-typed to make this 'new' article.

  Where IS my Wt CD?

  --LisaBObeesa
  PS: What is the title of this 'new' article, and what is the main point of it? (to help in my research, should I find that darn CD)
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  I heart the Live Forever Book

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  jw:.

  we were on the last paragraph of chapter 9.....the very last question.

  (b) what effect has this knowledge (that there is no hell) had on you?.

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  JW:
  "Anyway, where were we? Oh yes. We were on the last paragraph of Chapter 9…..the very last question. (b) What effect has this knowledge (that there is no hell) had on you?”

  JW STUDY:
  “Um,.. How good it is to know the truth about the dead! It has truly set me free from FEAR and SUPERSTITION.”

  JW:
  “That’s right! Isn’t it convenient how the answer is right there in the book for us? Now lets turn the page and go on to Chapter 10, ‘WICKED SPIRITS ARE POWERFUL’!”
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  Last Post

  by joelbear in

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  i love so many of you so very much.

  what wonderful people there are here and how i have rejoiced in our spirits joining.. i have, as i said, given up.

  i am disconnecting from this board and from a number of other things in my life.. i am staying connected to mitch.

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  lisaBObeesa

  Joel,

  hugs to you,

  -LisaBobeesa
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  "Hey there all you lurkey ones..."

  by Simon in

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  hmmn, doesn't quite work does it?

  ok...we'll stick with 'thirsty' then .

  why not register and make a post or two...ask a question...make a statement...whatever !.

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  Still Not Sure,

  Welcome, friend. Thank you for sharing your story. My gosh, you are in a tight spot. At least here you actually be yourself. That is so important. Keep posting!

  --LisaBObeesa
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  American Witnesses face difficult time over flag

  by ozziepost in

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  reports are coming from the united states that small flags and flag badges are being distributed at schools and other public places.. many are refusing to take a flag and this is causing resentment and hurt feelings.

  not wishing to offend, witnesses are asking their elders what they should do.. cheers,.

  ozzie.

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  lisaBObeesa

  deleted because it was stupid.
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  Bush's speech -- I'll be the first to admit...

  by Seeker in

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  ...it was an effective speech.

  i was impressed, and thought it only fair to say so here given the recent political discussions.

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  Seeker,

  Thanks for the response. I can agree with it, too. I guess you can count me among the paranoid.

  --LisaBObeesa