my wife and i were discussing this and thought of a few examples of words that the wt society changes meanings on in order to accomplish their own self serving agenda .
the term - generation - definition in webster's new world dictionary : " generation - a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father, son, and grandson are three generations ) .
the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next .
All of these mean "BELIEVE WHAT WE SAY NEXT"
-"Fully appreciate"
-"expect"
-"understand"
-"Rely"
-"you can be sure"
-"read carefully"
All of these mean THINK. Exactly what we are to think follows, or is associated with, these words. this is how they control the flock's thoughts:
Recall
imagine
dwell on
keep in mind
consider
meditate
look at
take in
pray
realize
study
learn
notice
examine
note
understanding
sound reasoning
see
he was my dad's favorite.
i can remember many many evenings my uncles coming over (all jw's) and listening to the old vinyl records (which i still enjoy).
its kind of a strange time in my life.
he was my dad's favorite.
i can remember many many evenings my uncles coming over (all jw's) and listening to the old vinyl records (which i still enjoy).
its kind of a strange time in my life.
I was remembering this today as I thought about George Jones.
At the Country Music Awards in 1999 Alan Jackson stood up for George Jones and basically told the CMAs where to go, then he walked off the stage and out of the building. Great moment.
he was my dad's favorite.
i can remember many many evenings my uncles coming over (all jw's) and listening to the old vinyl records (which i still enjoy).
its kind of a strange time in my life.
Rest in peace, George Jones. He was one of the greats.
for a while, i thought why would they change this teaching?.
how would it help there agenda?.
then i read the thread, new ray franz?.
I keep thinking..
..... if the members of the GB don't agree, how will they know which of them is the Evil Slave and which is the FDS??
brief background:.
i am a 3rd gen witness.
several of her friends are already baptized.
If it were me, I would make a deal that wife and daughter could do as they like AS LONG AS daughter does not get baptized until she is at least 21 years old, an ADULT.
Then I would use the time between now and then to plant seeds, model critical thinking and to encourage in every way all outside interests your daughter has. I would take them on fun vacations away from the witnesses. I would encourage the growth of your daughter's TRUE self. At 15, she is forming her identity. find out her non-jw interests and be interested in them and enourage them. Let her try everything she wants to try so that she can find her true self. In short, help her to be a normal teenager as much as possible.
I hope this all works out for you. I think the most important thing is to try to keep your daughter from getting baptized into the JW org as a teenager. Tell her she can decide such a huge thing when she is an adult.
If worst comes to worst, assure them both of your love, and pull the headship card on this one.
I think organized activist groups can get more done than idividuals, expecially around getting the attention of the press, etc, so I do think there is value in having them.
I also think this board is getting pretty boring with all these aawa threads.
i'm almost a year out of high school and of course, i'm not in college.
i'm a pioneer (sigh) with little to no work experience and having a really hard time finding any work.
i want to go back to college, but it's going to be difficult now that i'm a pioneer, and my parents cannot really afford the loans that will incur should i pursue going to college.
I second what badfish says...try not to take the loans unless you must take them because you can't make it on the grants.
You don't have to know what you want to do with your life to get the first half of your college done because the first two years are almost all general education. A college counselor at the school will be able to give you a list of many classes for you to choose from that will satisfy some of the general ed requirements. Everyone has to take a little English, some math, some science and so forth before they move on to the classes for their major, so you have lots of time to think about what you want get a degree in before you will have to actually tell them what you want to get a degree in.
So just go down to the community college and talk to someone. Find out how to sign up and when to sign up and what classes you should be taking for your general ed. Then just do it! One foot in front of the other...one step at a time...on to your future! You don't have to have it all planned out to get started.
When I was 18, I got a job and moved out of the house. I tried to go to college and support myself, but it didn't work out for me. I was too young, didn't understand how important college really was, I had to work more than full time to be able to support myself on my tiny wage, and I had no idea why I was going to school.
If I could go back in time I still would have moved out of my parent's home because I couldn't stand living there. But what I would change if I could go back is I would have stayed in school, NO MATTER WHAT. Even taking one little class at a time, I would start and never, ever stop until I had that degree. If I had done that, it would have taken me many years to finish, but I would have finished years and years earlier than I will finish now! (I'm 43 now, still finishing up because I took many many breaks from school). The years are going to go by one way or the other, might as well take classes as they go by!
If you can stand your home situation and maybe slowly warm your parents up to letting you go to college, then I would say stay home as long as possible and GO TO SCHOOL. Living at home could really help you out. It sure would have helped me! But if you have to get out of there, you have to get out of there but STILL go to school, even if it is only a class at a time.
Good luck. Please keep us updated. Let us know if you go down to the college and get some info...
Also, good luck on finding a job. Keep at it. You WILL eventually find a job if you just keep on looking and applying and don't stop looking and applying.
Please don't worry that you are a year out of high school. That is nothing. People go back to school all the time, at all ages. And you are still young enough to get 'the college experience' if you really want to go for it...
*sigh* I wish I could go back to where you are... You have the whole world before you, your whole life to live... lucky you!
Ok, one more thing, find all the support at the college that you can. Join all the groups to support students who are first in their family to go to college, make use of all counseling and advice services. You need extra support since your parents as JWs are 'prolly not going to do what most kid's parents do for them when they go to college...you know, support them in reaching their goals of getting an education and little things like that....So find that support in other adults at the college who can guide you and encourage you.
Ok, that's it. :) I'm done. Really.
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WARN: Watchtower Abuse Recovery Network.
Wow - that is an awesomely good name !
Yeah, it is.
(...but not as awesome as "Operation Andre" )
the mother who says having these two children is the biggest regret of her lifeisabella dutton, 57, says she wishes she had remained childless'i resented the time my children consumed.
like parasites, they took from me and didn't give back'.
isabella dutton would have been happier not having children.
I think as long as her children were living she should have kept this to herself or shared her feelings anonymously.
She says she loves her kids but publically states she wishes they were never born. That's not love to tell your kids that.
She never came to love them.
