Uh, no, they don't exist. This "unbiased news network" is the magical unicorn you seek but will never find, no matter how many damn rainbows you spot! Sorry, had a Glenn Beck moment. Oh wait, that would be Hitler-unicorns or something. The closest thing to that is probably your local newspaper, oddly enough. I find that to be true of mine. And, what I do is read papers, watch TV, read stuff online, all from a variety of sources, and I try to just take it all with a grain of salt, hoping the biases will cancel out. This is where skepticism is a must. There's too much Bull**** circulating in the news. ALL the news. Yes, Fox, you are biased as all hell too. Yes, internet, sometimes your info isn't reliable. Yes, CNN and HLN, sometimes you don't focus on the important stuff. I just try to make sense of all the crap, synthesize and analyze.
Pika_Chu
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So if God didn't mean a literal day when he said "Day," doesn't that mean the NWT isn't the most accurate translation?
by Pika_Chu inif the hebrew word rendered "day" has multiple meanings, why was the most accurate translation of the word not used?
why doesn't it say "eons" in the nwt?
if god really meant to say "eons," why didn't he make sure it said "eons" instead of days.
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Hi. Sorry I disappeared.
@Terra Incognita: good point, but I was kind of already getting to that. If it doesn't make sense because of the word choice, then people usually resort to non-literal interpretations. The problem is that, once you go that far, you can pretty much say the Bible is saying anything. I mean, who has the right interpretation if a passage requires special interpretation? Who am I supposed to believe has the right idea if it's symbolic? And, no offense, but this is one of my points for atheism: why would God speek to us in code and symbols? Wouldn't the Bible be easier to understand if it's just straightforward? If it's supposed to be a guide for our lives, I prefer the instructions be written in plain English (yeah, I know it was Hebrew, but still). If God really doesn't want anyone getting confused about whether or not the Genisis account is to be taken literally or symbolically, shouldn't he have given us a legend or a decoder right there on the first page? And if "day" is symbolic and not literal, I mean, wouldn't God just say it was?
@Black sheep: Now that I think about it, I'm not sure they use the word "eons" specifically, but I'm pretty sure they do. But, like you said, perhaps they were talking about the time before the creative days. I believe they use the word "epoch" most of the time. Either way, it's definately not a 24-hour day.
@Possible-san: Thank you for your concern, but I thought my post would be informative and get people thinking. Well, that was my intention, anyway. Maybe some will complain that this argument is petty or that other translations are guilty for doing the same thing, but the point I was trying to make is that the NWT is no MORE accurate than other Bibles.
@hamsterbait: yes, like you said, the Society reinterprets the meaning of "day" in a 20/20 kind of way. There's no indication that Moses (or whomever wrote Genesis) meant anything other than 24-hour days. Since the Jewish Sabbath and week length was based on the creative days (Exodus 20:11), I'm thinking Moses must have really meant a 24-hour day, versus epochs. Did the Jews have Sabbath every epoch or so? I don't think so...
@Radhysm: wow, that's interesting. I'm not convinced of any creation stories, however, but I guess that was another way to look at things.
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Undercover apostates...
by Maze ini've observed some forum users here that claim to be active witnesses (even claims to be ministerial servants or elders) while duplicitously supporting apostates online.
my contention is this; why attend meetings and/or participate in the preaching activity when the second you divulge your apostate thinking into the congregation, you'll be disfellowshipped?
while this action taken may seem to be harsh, the outworking of events wouldn't be much different in one of christendom's churches.
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Some of us are here because we know longer believe the Society has the truth. However, like you just said, we would be disfellowshipped for making our feelings public, and some of us go to keep contact with family members. Maybe it's hard for you to understand that, because, my guess is that you're not an apostate, but some of us are really scared of losing our family ties because we no longer believe the religion.
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So if God didn't mean a literal day when he said "Day," doesn't that mean the NWT isn't the most accurate translation?
by Pika_Chu inif the hebrew word rendered "day" has multiple meanings, why was the most accurate translation of the word not used?
why doesn't it say "eons" in the nwt?
if god really meant to say "eons," why didn't he make sure it said "eons" instead of days.
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Think about it. If the Hebrew word rendered "Day" has multiple meanings, why was the most accurate translation of the word not used? Why doesn't it say "eons" in the NWT? If God really meant to say "eons," why didn't he make sure it said "eons" instead of days. Dear JHVH: You confuse us! Please use better word choice if you want your message delivered to the ends of the Earth with ACCURACY. Thank You, Lord through Jesus's name. The fact that God wouldn't correct this problem before we realized the Earth and everything on it couldn't have come about in 7 days, makes me wonder as to how much God must really care about people translating his word accurately. Oh, and this is the first page of the first book of the Bible. You know, they screw up on the first page already. Either God isn't using them as his channel as they clearly suck at translating God's thoughts ACCURATELY...or God must not particularly care about how confused he makes people who read the NWT like it's the most accurate translation. Thoughts?
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Why a publishing company and not a news channel
by maksym init is interesting to say that the means of communication of god [jehovah ]happens to be varied throughout the ages.
in apostolic times god had eyewitness to proclaim the message.
these faithful men furthered the message by spreading the message by word of mouth coupled with oral tradition.
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@Wasblind My sentiments exactly.
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I couldn't lurk....
by maninthemiddle ini had to actully go talk to people.
lucky for me i wasn't at a meeting.. .
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Perhaps the provider is uber-politically correct and interpreted this site as hateful for calling a religion a cult? But then, why does it mention "occult" things? That's just weird, and would be politically incorrect, considering poor Wiccans would be left out in the cold if they used this wi-fi.
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I feel so alone here...
by Pams girl inthanks to all who helped me escape my imminemt baptism after 6 years of study.
it was a close call.. ive clearly been labelled spirituallly weak, as nobody has called here to say hi or anything and its been 2 monthes now....their divine justice for me i guess.
i did see my study teacher a while back when she dropped off my memorial invite, and that was after a chat, nothing to do with the wbts...seemed like it was an afterthought on her part.. they all know about my problems with agoraphobia and panic.
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Hugs for you, Pamsgirl.
Of course, I don't know the details, but I'm going to risk it and say you probably have a chance at repairing those relationships (in addition to making new friends; I know you can do that). If those people really love you, they'll understand. And it's likely that they know a thing or two about JWs being a cult and are willing to help you. Maybe they'll see you are lonely and understand it's because of this awful cult. If they are really worth your time and energy, they'll make the effort to put themselves in your shoes and try to understand you.
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I couldn't lurk....
by maninthemiddle ini had to actully go talk to people.
lucky for me i wasn't at a meeting.. .
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Um...what browser were you using? Anywhere near a JW-ish place? Was it a hotel during Assembly time? Geez, that's creepy, anyway.
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I couldn't lurk....
by maninthemiddle ini had to actully go talk to people.
lucky for me i wasn't at a meeting.. .
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Is this for real? Where were you?
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Why a publishing company and not a news channel
by maksym init is interesting to say that the means of communication of god [jehovah ]happens to be varied throughout the ages.
in apostolic times god had eyewitness to proclaim the message.
these faithful men furthered the message by spreading the message by word of mouth coupled with oral tradition.
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I know, right? If this message is so important that the lives of 6 Billion people are at stake every waking moment, then why doesn't ths benevolent WT God communicate with humanity just a little bit more effectively?