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  Couple of "Human Evolution" Questions (Seriously), If I May...

  by AGuest in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  may you all have peace!.

  i know, i know... from body members: why is she going there, again??

  but... i have what i believe are a couple/few valid questions, so i must ask that you indulge me, if you can.

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  I do not know what is the ultimate goal of evolution,

  The thing about this, too, is that evolution doesn't set and acheive goals. It is simply a process of nature, no real goal or end in sight, it just is. It is simply a happening phenomenon.
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  Couple of "Human Evolution" Questions (Seriously), If I May...

  by AGuest in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  may you all have peace!.

  i know, i know... from body members: why is she going there, again??

  but... i have what i believe are a couple/few valid questions, so i must ask that you indulge me, if you can.

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  These are actually good questions. The thing is, is we need to distinguish two things here: evolution and speciation. Speciation is actually when a new species comes about. Evolution simply means, by definition, genetic changes in populations over time. Speciation is a specific phenomena which is under the broader, general umbrella of the theory of evolution. Therefore, speciation always requires evolution (change), but evolution (change) does not require speciation to occur. It is a tendency, of course, but not a necessity. Speciation will only occur if environmental pressures/geographic isolaton/genetic mutations encourage it. Since humans are very intelligent and we have a greater impact on our environment than any other organism, we are incredibly adept to adjusting to and even manipulating the environoment that would dictate such change.
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  The Disfellowshipping Arrangement is Total Double-Speak

  by Pika_Chu in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am livid right now, so please understand i'm venting, and i don't mean to sound like a troll.

  i just found out about the "simplified" wt and the koolaid edition reinforcing shunning.

  this is really freaking me out, but, anyway, i just had an epiphany.

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  You have explained well just one OF MANY irrational and hateful problems with the shunning arrangement.

  I am shunned by all but a tiny few and was recently told that I SHUN THEM by no longer participating in their religious rituals. They are able to turn things completely around in their boggled heads. Right is wrong. Hate is love. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

  Thanks for the compliment. And I'm sorry about your shunning. I'm no stranger to this kind of conditional love. I became very close to being found out once...The ONLY reason I'm not being shunned is because I'm so secretive. It's really twisted. And, funny thing about Eastasia: I read 1984 and we had discussions in my English class over many Orwellian concepts. This actually helped my doubting a lot. What struck me the hardest was knowing that Winstion worked for the--get this--the MINSTRY OF TRUTH! Anyway, one discussion revolved around EastAsia, and how it doens't even necessarily exist. We had similar discussions about the Party. These things were likely only mental constructs designed to keep the masses under control. EastAsia=the world outside dubland. They are constantly fighting demons and the spirit of the world, when in reality, they have major persecution complexes and are fighting mental constructs. The expectation of persecution shapes their perceptions. Whenever something bad happens to a JW, it's Satan or "his world." Whenever something bad happened to (insert name of Winston's home continent here), it was EastAsia's fault. They were the ultimate invisible enemies. And the Party was something that only existed theoretically. Just like "God's organization" means nothing to anyone outside of dubland, the party only existed to keep people in line. It was made up of people, and yet Big Brother (or in the JW case, MOTHER) controlled even the Party members. Control, control, here they come to steal your soul...that should be a song...sorry, I need some meds or something.
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  Isn't It Time For Darwinists To Face The Music Of Science?

  by Perry in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1icjkwzeee&feature=related.

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  No, I think he's pulling it from somewhere else.

  Oh, his a$$ more most likely...
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  The Disfellowshipping Arrangement is Total Double-Speak

  by Pika_Chu in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am livid right now, so please understand i'm venting, and i don't mean to sound like a troll.

  i just found out about the "simplified" wt and the koolaid edition reinforcing shunning.

  this is really freaking me out, but, anyway, i just had an epiphany.

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  I am livid right now, so please understand I'm venting, and I don't mean to sound like a troll. I just found out about the "Simplified" WT and the Koolaid edition reinforcing shunning. This is really freaking me out, but, anyway, I just had an epiphany. The disfellowshipping arrangement is a profound case of double-speak. I'm also a bit lazy, so if anone wants to add citations to the following statements, that would be lovely. Anyway, to illustrate:

  Premise A: Armageddon could come any minute now.

  Premise B: God desires none to be destroyed but attain repentance and return to his "organization."

  Premise C: A person who commits a "wrong-doing" only once is disfellowshipped for a an actual length of time. Most likely, it is at least a 6-month period.

  Premise D: A person recieves Holy Spirit only through the organization and at Christian meetings.

  Analysis: If A, B, and D are true, Armageddon is due any minute, and God doesn't want anyone to be destroyed. Why, then, does the Society insist on keeping people from participating in meetings, the only place where they--wait for it--EVIDENTLY can get Holy Spirit? This is especially weird considering the Holy Spirit is supposed to do things like give people a change of heart. Allowing someone to participate would allow for that (not really). So, by cutting people off from the one supposed source of freshly bottled HS on Earth, the waters of "eternal life," if you will, the Society impeeds the "spritual healing" of the disfellowshipped one. The Society also works against their own god's wishes that none be destroyed. If Armaggedon is just around the corner, what stops it from being within the six months you are outside his "protection." To me and the rest of us on this forum, it is rather obvious this is a major scare tactic, but what would a JW say in response to such logic? Would they say it was Satan's "crafty acts" of "prideful logic," taking control over our minds? Ah, but that would imply that Jehovah's Witnesses are not the smartest people on Earth. And if one's belief system is so fragile as to be shattered by "Apostate" information, then that probably means his/her belief system was built on weak logic to begin with. If "reasoning" can prove all other relgions false, why doesn't it prove the WT false? Again, double standards. Double speak. Oh, and notice the fact that I didn't use any apostate information? This is nothing but "reasoning" and their OWN literature. The RECENT ones, for Pete's Sake. Not even the old, apostate WTs...Can you say, "double speak?!"
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  HELLO EVERYONE

  by sarahkate in

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  new to the forum, just wanted to say hi, will tell my brief story sometime, happy at the moment just getting to know you all!!!!.

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  sarahkate xx.

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  Hello!
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  Rejecting Their Beliefs CAN'T be Sincere...

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this quote today.. ".

  [t]he koran consistently assumes that the infidels are not people who have come to a good faith decision that islam is false.

  in the koran, those who reject islam are never acting out of sincere conviction.

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  This is how fundies control people. The idea that one cannot reject a belief system with a sincere concern for truth and sound logic is just a way to reinforce members of how "true" the religion is. If it is impossible to defy them with logic, then they can serve whatever flavor of kool-aid they can. Nothing would challenge them, if even if it made sense. You cannot argue against unassailable notions, I'm afraid...
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  New simplified Watchtower

  by alanv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  beginning with the july 15th 2011 edition of the watchtower, the society are producing a simplified version of the study copy.. this is apparantly for the many people whose first language is not english, and yet they live in a predominantly englsih speaking county.. the normal study edition will still be produced but it looks like the cong.

  will be able to ask for a supply of the simplified version each month.. this simplified version can be downloaded from the watchtower site.. http://www.jw.org/index.html.

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  Am I the only one who's having a panic attack over this? There's no way in hell this is real!
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  Watchtower stance in Australia - a few thoughts to ponder

  by James_Slash in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "we don't typically work with children....so [any mandatory child protection] law doesn't apply to us" - watchtower spokesman.. if this is the case, then how have so many children been abused?.

  also, in james 1:27 it instructs 'elders' to "look after orphans and widows" - how can they do this when they "do not specifically work with children"?.

  thoughts anyone?.

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  They totally work with children. I know of six-year old who's baptized and in the Ministry School. Actually, I know a BUNCH of kids in my area who are very active JWs. What about "training up" kids from birth? Making sure they pay attention at the meetings and hand out Watchtowers at the door?! They don't work with children, my pale ass.
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  What if EVERTHING you believe to be true.....is a LIE?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what if everything you thought was true turned out to be a lie?.

  what if some of the most important "facts" turned out to be false?.

  does seeing your strongly held convictions shattered, refuted, disproved hold out liberation for you or a sense of doom and embarassment?.

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  This is precisely why I am a skeptic. And yes, I do question my own skepticism. There are few certainties in this world and many more questions and debates.