it's easy to document that there have been dozens of derogatory statements about the un in watchtower publications in the years since the society gained ngo status.. we already know that the brothers were not informed about this status.
and in the early 1990's, it would have been considerably harder for the brothers to find out.
why would any of them even think to visit or phone the un and ask, "is the watchtower society in any way associated with your organization?".
Comment:
And in the early 1990's, it would have been considerably harder for the brothers to find out.
THANK YOU !!!
You start to take the internet for granted, after a while.
I knew something was nagging me, and this is it:
The Internet only went truly mainstream around '95.
I wonder how many more things will turn up as the world continues to go "all-electronic".
LT
guess i'm trying to use the ole "bait and hook" routine.
i would appreciate your comments.. hi xxx, i was wondering when your talk is going to be?
or was it this past weekend?
BS:
Ya beauty!!!
What an excellent way to handle it!
You are right to go softly, softly. Don't rush it.
A few references to some of the "despicable" religions involved, might to a good follow up.
LT
i want to barf.
i was wondering when the hell samuel herd was going to shut up.. blab blab blab.... aren't we wonderful, oh we are so wonderful.. about the only thing that was said that i could see as being something which the gb would see as touchy enough to warant the multiple announcements for " no tape recorders, no video recorders and no computer note taking" would be the statement by herd that there's "going to be a lot off killing, billions will die ....in swift fashion".
and the other gb (fill in the name) who talked about being in the new world "in two hundred years".... wow.. that's leaving enough prophetic lee-way for the gb heirs to the thrones.. much emphasis was placed on the "...two roads to the new system ...the high road and the low road".
In regard to September 11, 2001:
1. This is the opportunity to comfort people. The brothers in NY are
using bibles and brochures, and leaving book bags home. They have been asking people how they feel, and listening to whatever they say. Don't shy away from the vengeance issue. Even God allows for Justice. Just listen to them. As Luke 4, puts it, we are to bind up the broken hearted. The society has provided tools, water and food to workers and volunteers, and housed 50 victims after the tragedy.
2. If people ask why we don't wear a symbol, we can tell them what we
have done. If asked why we aren't publicizing this fact, we can tell them that God sees our good works, and thats all the praise and recognition we need.
3. 1 brother confirmed dead, 14 missing and presumed dead, some elders
from the Bronx.
4. Read experience "witnessing at ground zero". If you have not received this, let me know and I will forward it to you.
5. A brother was working in a NY restaurant. The owners were going to
have candlit vigil for all patrons on a certain date. On the day, they asked the brother to lead them in prayer. The brother prayed to Jehovah, asking him to provide to comfort to all effected by this tragedy, and endurance to those suffering because of it. Afterwards, the owners thanked him for his wonderful words, and the restaurant patrons did as well.
i want to barf.
i was wondering when the hell samuel herd was going to shut up.. blab blab blab.... aren't we wonderful, oh we are so wonderful.. about the only thing that was said that i could see as being something which the gb would see as touchy enough to warant the multiple announcements for " no tape recorders, no video recorders and no computer note taking" would be the statement by herd that there's "going to be a lot off killing, billions will die ....in swift fashion".
and the other gb (fill in the name) who talked about being in the new world "in two hundred years".... wow.. that's leaving enough prophetic lee-way for the gb heirs to the thrones.. much emphasis was placed on the "...two roads to the new system ...the high road and the low road".
Point discussed:
1. Islam is now larger than Christendom. According to the mankind search for God book, the inside map shows the amount of people in major religions. The numbers for the Islamic religion is now much larger. So all this time that we were looking at Christendom to be this large factor, it could very well be the Islamic groups instead. They are so large, and with all that has happened in the past three weeks, the religion has aggravated the King of the North and the Wild Beast. They will be looking for a way to rid themselves of a large group.
2. We were urged to read Ezekiel 38 and 39.
3. The end is rushing up to meet us. The signs are all there. After a
disaster, people have all these feelings. When it reaches anger, that is when to watch around us. This is when action is likely to be taken.
4. No neutrality or pacifism will be allowed by governments. They will
insist we take a side, and when we don't, they can use this as an excuse to take action against us. We could be termed a 'dangerous sect.' We can look for all property owned by the watchtower society to be seized.
Branches, land, farms, kingdom halls. They might use the excuse that
they need the land to fund wars or something of that possessions. Money, property, things, will be meaningless to us. Only our heavenly
treasures will have value. Some of us may have to find shelter with other witnesses.
5. We will have no legal rights to speak of. Going to court, the police, etc. Any rights gained by us to date will not exist.
6. The bible does not tell us how far things will go-only that we will
wait on God to take action.
7. The Kings of the North and South prophesies are coming true. They are very important to us, even though we don't know who the king of the north is yet. He also brought out that we don't understand everything yet, and may not have complete understanding before this all occurs. If I did not interpret this comment correctly I apologize. This is how I heard it. It does make sense. All through history, many things were understood afterward. Hindsight, so to speak.
8. Gog of Magog is also important. He will be spewing his rage, because of the witnesses of Jehovah. He will do anything he can to destroy us. Daniel 11:45.
9. This will be worse than any war ever fought on earth before.
Other scriptures mentioned in connection to these points: Eze 38:10, 13, 16, 22; Isaih 30:15; Zachariah 14: 12, 13
10. No matter what happens to us during this time, we can take comfort
that God is with us. Romans 8:31. There are more with us than are with
them. Psalms 56:11, 118:16; 16:8. God will not save each and every one
of his witnesses from death, but we have too much value to him for him to let us all be exterminated.
11. Apostates are rampant, (Matthew 24:24)waiting for a time when they
can publicly denounce God's people. That doesn't mean they are not active now. They are publishing materials and speaking loudly. But it will get worse.
And as Jesus and Paul pointed out, there will be traitors in the
congregation. Probably more than we have thought there would be. Because of this we need to be cautious- Never let the right hand know...And as today's watchtower put it, cautious as serpents and gentle as doves.
There will be no need for some to know everything, especially the government.
12. Physical signs. Matthew 24:29. These will happen. The celestial
signs will occur( i.e. sun darkened, moon not there), and in such a manner as to leave people in no doubt as to who is causing them. These will be in conjunction with his vengeance on those persecuting his people.
Zephaniah 1:17, 18. How can they hurt us if they have no eyes to see us? How can they pull a trigger if they have no arms? As Matthew 24 points out, (verses 30-31)there will also be an angelic presence in the heavens- a visible one. He in the heavens, sword drawn, with the angels behind him.
THESE SIGNS WILL TAKE PLACE.
13. There will probably be a time when the preaching work will slow
drastically. Our main focus may be on keeping alive and enduring.
i want to barf.
i was wondering when the hell samuel herd was going to shut up.. blab blab blab.... aren't we wonderful, oh we are so wonderful.. about the only thing that was said that i could see as being something which the gb would see as touchy enough to warant the multiple announcements for " no tape recorders, no video recorders and no computer note taking" would be the statement by herd that there's "going to be a lot off killing, billions will die ....in swift fashion".
and the other gb (fill in the name) who talked about being in the new world "in two hundred years".... wow.. that's leaving enough prophetic lee-way for the gb heirs to the thrones.. much emphasis was placed on the "...two roads to the new system ...the high road and the low road".
I just received this, so I'm adding it to the thread:
Subject: Special Talk on September 30 2001
Hi, Everyone! We had a special talk today, and I just wanted to share
some of the key points. This may ramble on a bit, because I am writing as I remember, and my notes are never in order, either.
We had a talk given by a speaker from Brooklyn Bethel.He has been at
Bethel since the 1950's. Originally slated to be given in August, this
brother had to go abroad for several weeks, and the talk was postponed.
Are we ever glad of that! A new talk was written, and given, and words
cannot express my gratitude to the governing body for allowing him to
come down to NC. The talk was given in a public park in Greensboro,
outside (everyone brought chairs, lunch and blankets)and six
congregations were officially invited, with others allowed to come, including the public. 1067 people showed! I got there about five minutes before it started, and there was a "sea" of people already there. I was in the lastrow when it started. By the time it ended, there were 5-10 rows behind me!
lisa gave me the idea for this topic.. so, what are your ideas for some catchy song titles?
any genre will do.
1. i got mauled at the kingdom hall.
ROFL
I can't think straight, I'm laughing so much at this thread.
However, here's my contribution (placed in a lovely white envelope, in the box at the back).
Bohemian RhapSTUDY
"Mamma, I just met a man.
Put a tract against his head,
Gave him a scripture, Just like Fred.
Mama, the study had just begun
But now he's gone and thrown in all away"
For TP :
"Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me..."
LT
[Edited for wrong emoticon]
my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.
jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.
as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.
Condolences, Kevin.
Words fail to express the warmth and love we extend to you at this time.
LT
objective observers know that the bible is packed with errors and inconsistencies.
for example, genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth.
matthew's genealogy is completely different than luke's.
Quote:
"Genesis has light created on the first day, but the sun wasn't created until the fourth. "
I wondered about viewing this from a position on the Earth. Perhaps the sun only came to light, through the canopy, on the fourth day.
It's unlikely that Moses (or the source that he corrulated this info from) would have missed this point that you make. These were not stupid individuals, but rather likely had a good grasp of astronomy/astrology.
Just my 2p theory.
LT
i've just been watching the 6pm bbc news, where there was an interesting clip to do with the current war.. if i've remembered it right, the british prime minister (tony blair) stated:.
"earlier today i had a meeting with all britain's religions...".
anyone know if london bethel was represented?.
The TV shot that I've just seen on ITV showed a couple of dozen folks there, and not all had dog-collars.
If not represented, were they conspicuous by their absense?
Okay, I know it's a long shot - but imagine if.....
LT
i've just been watching the 6pm bbc news, where there was an interesting clip to do with the current war.. if i've remembered it right, the british prime minister (tony blair) stated:.
"earlier today i had a meeting with all britain's religions...".
anyone know if london bethel was represented?.
I've just been watching the 6pm BBC News, where there was an interesting clip to do with the current war.
If I've remembered it right, the British Prime Minister (Tony Blair) stated:
"Earlier today I had a meeting with all Britain's religions..."
Anyone know if London Bethel was represented?
I intend to investigate, if no-one else has.
LT
