Posts by LittleToe

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Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

Setting aside the subordination smokescreen, for a moment. I don't see how anyone can read the NT and not see that the Son is claimed to be Divine.

DDog:Yes, all those things are possible, but we increase in knowledge.

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Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

The logic in the statement is:

Omnipresence" is a quality of "God".

Regarding prayer:

All three are involved (needed?) in prayer.
Lots of prayers occur and are heard at the same time.

Therefore

All three are everywhere at the same time (omnipresent).

Therefore

All three are "God".

Nowadays quantum science is perhaps starting to grapple with how such a thing is possible.

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Children

by LittleToe in

on children.

your children are not your children.. they are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself.. they come through you but not from you,.

and though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.. you may give them your love but not your thoughts,.

LittleToe

I'm about to acquire one when I remarry in May, and hope to have this text in the wedding ceremony

I wanted to post it because I notice that there are currently quite a few threads and posts on the subject of the hurt felt by childrens' actions. It seems like wise words to me.

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Children

by LittleToe in

on children.

your children are not your children.. they are the sons and daughters of life's longing for itself.. they come through you but not from you,.

and though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.. you may give them your love but not your thoughts,.

”Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you,
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows might go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so he loves the bow that is stable."

http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibran4.html

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Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

Let me simplistically put it this way, using the example of prayer:

We pray to the Father, through Christ, in the power of the Spirit.

Every Christian does this, wherever and whenever they are at the time. Somehow God deals with these simultaneously. Somehow He is everywhere and everywhen (omnipresent), which is one of the abilities of Him being "God".

Just think about that for a minute. All three are somehow involved in prayer simultaneously, having that unique quality. Do they somehow occupy the same [total] space and time, while retaining their own unique identity? THat would be the claim of Trinitarians.

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Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

Heathen:
Sorry dude, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Most Christians do not believe that the Father is the Son and is the Holy Spirit. They accept that they are three presons, yet somehow miraculously one God.

That aint my own spin (albeit I came to that conclusions from independant research, because I'd been raised to believe that the Trinity was what You've described), but is the "spin" of near all Christian denominations.

142

Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

Heathen:
You're mixing up orthodox Trinitarianism with "Modalism". Most Christians don't accept the latter, like yourself, myself included. It is accepted by some Pentecostal groups, though.

DDog:Its too common a statement for me to have even thought of needing to find it for you, but here ya go:

1John.4: 8, 16.

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Trinity?

by BFD in

i am reading the bible for the first time.

i was df'd in 1976 and lived my whole life thinking the jws have the truth and i just could not live up to the standard and was doomed to die at the big a without question.

until i found jwd 31 years later.

LittleToe

Love of God and Neighbour.

...we love the brethren.

God is love.

Had to be a theme in there somewhere, huh?

Anything that we conjour up in our minds is an inferior idol. On this point I agree with JamesThomas.

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If you had to, what religion would you choose to be?

by Crumpet in

you can answer this as seriously (lt) or as inanely (buttlight) as you like!

i was reflecting having read someone's thread about blowing off non jw family that actually it would have been so much better if i had a larger family, preferably not completely jw saturated and this random train of thought led me to thinking that if i could choose i would be catholic, because then i would have a huge family, go to really nice gothic churches with lots of candles and tortured saints and be able to go to confession (instead of lt's mobile).

also the colours of the whore of babylon always were a lot more enticing to me than the mild blues and undistracting beiges of the khs.. i think we all have religions which would suit our personalities so much better.

LittleToe

I started a religion once, but after along period of no increase I realised that I had screwed up with the first few commandments:

Thou shalt not congregate
Thou shalt not proselytise
Thou shalt not speak of that which is unspeakable

After that I just consigned it to the round file (trash can) and moved on..

...nothing to see here...

LT, of the "unorthodox Christian" class

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LDS Church Handbook of Instructions

by What-A-Coincidence in

jw
friends

http://www.provocation.net/chi/.

link will not work in ie...use firefox.

the book on name removal.

LittleToe

Noone has kept such icons from public view for fear of the irreverent making copies and throwing sponges at them. Rather, such things are parodied on the Internet and folks to whom they are meaningful are still able to devote themselves to them without them being tarnished in their eyes.

Eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNcrBDG_ajg

Night, bud