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Here i am....

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here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, ms, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now...... i'm trying to examine jw teachings a little closer...... i've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-jw's are coming from.

i'm kind of concerned about a few things lately..... honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:.

-wt getting un membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements..... -blood issue - some counterpoints to the jw 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate.

makersmark

Hi all - thanks to those who replyed and were sincere (most of you). To those who were insincere - I guess i can understand your rage, hate, disgust etc with the organization.

I'm continuing my research, reading, verifying, etc with these issues. Thanks for the numerous references.

Here are some more thoughts so far:

1. 587-607 to 1914 - all i can say is yikes...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCleOXkYu0 is, although condescending very convincing...... I dont know if i can fully comprehend what this point means......yikes......

2. Blood issue - transplants, immunizations, allowing fractions to conscience matter = all of this controversy added to my concerns in the first place .... again yikes....

3. yes i see the points you have made about : reasons for attacks on russell, rutherford, early wrong and strange beliefs, origins of the JW faith - i guess from an outsiders perspective the constant attacks were more offensive than eye-opening.... i understand your reasoning.

4. education - although i never mentioned it in my first post - here is what i said in another thread:
i also was affected by the 'evil' college discouragement. i had the grades and drive to be a doctor, lawyer or architect - instead I pioneered away 15 years of youth...now im late thirties, average technical job and im locked in..sometimes when i think of what i could have been - i cry.me.. a full grown man - I cry.

ttyl.

81

Here i am....

by makersmark in

here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, ms, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now...... i'm trying to examine jw teachings a little closer...... i've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-jw's are coming from.

i'm kind of concerned about a few things lately..... honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:.

-wt getting un membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements..... -blood issue - some counterpoints to the jw 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate.

makersmark

wow

so many responses in about an hour.... i gots some reading/thinking to do...

peace...

81

Here i am....

by makersmark in

here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, ms, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now...... i'm trying to examine jw teachings a little closer...... i've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-jw's are coming from.

i'm kind of concerned about a few things lately..... honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:.

-wt getting un membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements..... -blood issue - some counterpoints to the jw 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate.

makersmark

Hi All:

Here i am - born in truth, hard-core spiritual everything all my life, early reg.pioneer, MS, elder, assembly parts, tour at bethel, etc, married now.....
I'm trying to examine JW teachings a little closer...... I've spent the last two weeks reading many many posts, info , references on where ex-JW's are coming from. I'm kind of concerned about a few things lately....

Honestly - some points make sense to me - some don't - here are my general thoughts:

-WT getting UN membership for access to library - doesnt bother me - some passports and other governement documents have similar forms and requirements....

-blood issue - some counterpoints to the JW 'rules' makes sense (original intent of scripture is unbled animals, white blood cells similar in mothers milk) etc -however a lot of 'apostate' reasonings and proof are inaccurate

- 587 vs 607 BCE leading to 1914: some points make sense - is there an actual hard and fast proof from a scholarly source of Babylons destuction date? - i've read the KISS method of explaining - to me it's as confusing as what JW's are accused of...

- when a poster uses derogatory word-play on witness terms - what is the purpose? Kingdumb Hell? PLEASE - being offensive and childish is no way to influence a questioning mind. I understand the rage and past hurt but cmon - be mature....

- disfellowshipping - a hot issue - yes it can be a terrible consequence for some people - as an elder i have been involved in DF'ing situations - but honestly, believe it or not - this form of discipline has improved the persons life (turned them around from drug abuse or extreme unprotected sex) - however if DF-ing is misused by imperfect men and a wrong is indeed committed - i can understand the opposition. When i've read thru the many posts discussing DF'ing i have noticed that never is the JW explanation for this practise ever mentioned.......

- constant attacks of old Russell, Rutherford teachings, etc.... using 100 year old watchtower quotes as proof - cmon - i know we celebrated Christmas, I know about the pyramids, i know JW have similar historical roots to other religions - the point is what we believe NOW...Those quotes from 1898 and even some 1930's 1950's quotes - we dont believe either....... dont use antiquated proof - If you want to sway me or other 'doubters' get some actual proof and ill listen.......

- finally - constant attacks on the governing body.... yes i know Knorr, Franz were hard core - I actually met and have close relatives that worked along side of them. Yes they said and did weird things, they got senile but not to the devilish picture that is being painted of them... No one is perfect..... When i was at bethel for a brief time - it was amazing, loving - not really the same story that experience after experience in these forums show...

Saying that - i do realize that people have got the shaft as a witness, i understand their pain and actually feel quite bad - I'm trying to be a loving shepard, imitating good qualites of the scriptures - i cant help think why bad things happen to good people even in my organization.....

Finally - the 1995 and 2010 changes about generations really really bothers me - scriptures dont say "and this overlapping generation will by no means pass away". Im scared crapless about this - all concept of armagedon coming is changed and not many of my fellow bros and sisters even realized this? am i wrong?

There you have it folks - my mind is critically open to you - hit me with proof.........