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  Babies Who Are Not Dead From An Abortion

  by minimus in

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  a woman gets an abortion.

  the baby is supposed to die because of the abortion but doesn’t.

  should that living baby be put to death or should the baby be given medical help to survive?.

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  Jerryh

  This lady survived her own abortion.

  Her story is worth a listen.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hYvP5ZWLQk
  
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  What is the biggest problem with the JWS religion or the Watchtower Corporation from a sociological and theological perspective ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  many have spent years associated with jws religion and having eventually left it for numerous reasons but if you were to directly pinpoint a source of the problem with this religious organization what would it be ?.

  in my personal viewpoint it would have be the core operation of literature proliferation and other products associated with the wts.

  corporation.. once you think about it everything is focused around the operation of the wts publishing house, its distribution and circulation of its published goods.

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  from a theological perspective

  *** w67 12/15 p. 753 par. 1 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***

  EVER since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 something of very present importance has been added to the “good news of God” that Jesus Christ used to preach . . .
  

  
  
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  JW Dogma Analysis For Lurkers & Faders to Consider

  by The Fall Guy in

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  this post is necessarily lengthy, but my hope is that these 14 examples of wtbts dogma will be examined closely by those who either have something to gain by doing so, or those who can provide "new light" for any of the topics.. "however, you may say in your heart: “how will we know that jehovah has not spoken the word?” when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word is not....true, then jehovah did not speak that word.

  you should not fear him.

  " [the prophet] (deuteronomy 18:21-22) .

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  Thank you fall guy this is really helpful.

  Number 4 (Rom.6:7) is especially a problem for JW dogma. All that necessary is read verse 8 which

  is plainly referring to the death of Jesus. Which leads to a question that I have.

  The dogma says the death of Rom.6:7 refers to the death of the JW personally not Jesus.

  This then allows Rom.6:23 to be satisfied which is obviously not Paul's point in this text.

  But if we grant their dogma here that a person's own death satisfies verse 23 then how does

  a person who survives Armageddon pay for his sin since he has not ever died. Why would

  such a person qualify for the new system? What am I missing on this?
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  Midnight Cry

  by Jerryh in

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  i never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.

  i think i know what the teaching is in general about.

  matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.

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  Jerryh

  The article was from 1985 Feb 1, so that was the Franz era. So that answers that.

  Thank you all for your answers.

  
  
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  Midnight Cry

  by Jerryh in

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  i never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.

  i think i know what the teaching is in general about.

  matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.

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  Okaaay I honestly don't see the problems with my questions. I pasted that quote from JW.com and as

  usual it is just an assertion with no further information like a date or who represents the wise or foolish

  virgins. Now I have researched enough to pretty well know who they say is wise and foolish but I was

  looking for a few details.

  On the question of the current meeting schedule I understand that has changed over the last year or two.

  Before the internets when there was only apostate books I read most of them and they are not very useful

  and now obsolete. okay I withdraw the freaking questions.
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  Midnight Cry

  by Jerryh in

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  i never was a witness but need to learn for someone i love.

  i think i know what the teaching is in general about.

  matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc.

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  I never was a Witness but need to learn for someone I love. I think I know what the teaching is in general about

  Matt 24 /25 concerning the slave wars earthquakes etc. but the midnight cry? Can anyone elaborate? Also what is

  the meeting schedule currently? What happens on what days? thanks

  This was an outstanding feature of the “sign” that Jesus foretold in his great prophecy. For the remnant, the time of that awakening was one of great joy, a joy like that of the five discreet, or wise, virgins awakened by the midnight cry: “Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.” (Matthew 25:1-6) That joyous awakening occurred in the spring of 1919,
  
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  How Would You Prove To A JW That They Are Wrong?

  by minimus in

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  what could you say to prove to a witness that they simply do not have the truth?.

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  Vanderhoven7, do you have the reference for this one? and thks for your posts Jerryh

  2. Is it written or beyond what is written to say that the heavenly class was numerically complete in 1935?

  (We don't teach that anymore)

  • But you did teach that for over 70 years, right up till 2007.

  
  
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

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  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  Jerryh

  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html

  This column is not relevant . . . or is it?
  
  
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  What's the difference between a Christian and a JW?

  by nowwhat? in

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  christians look to jesus as the redeeemer of mankind.. jw's look to jesus as the executioner of mankind!.

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  Jerryh

  John 3:16 relates a general concept, an abstraction as does 1 John 2:2.

  John 3:16 must become Galatians 2:20 to become a Christian.

  I am impaled along with Christ. It is no longer I that live, but it is Christ that is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in flesh I live by the faith that is toward the Son of God, who loved me and handed himself over for me.

  As much as I dislike the WBTS I have to admit the "anointed" fit the concept but there is no such thing

  as an un-anointed Christian. There are no un-forgiven Christians or un-justified, un-regenerated, un-sealed

  un-washed etc. Paul's advise to the Romans was "let each [man] be fully convinced in his own mind"

  The Imago Dei defies definition but surely contains the ability to choose.

  He also advised the Corinthians to "keep testing whether you are in the faith, keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved.
  

  
  

  You can definitely say it is a pre req.

  Whoever is not carrying his torture stake and coming after me cannot be my disciple. Rule number 1

  
  

  straight forward out of the mouth of the judge. If you are an active JW please pore over Romans 6: 6-7

  to see how the org. misapplies scripture directly related to this and see if you have courage to point it out.

  
  

  
  

  one more reference

  For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God Col 3:3
  

  Mr. cofty is correct as usual

  Back to the topic - The difference between xtians and JWs is soteriology. JWs believe Jesus died for the sins of Adam; xtians believe Jesus died for their own personal sins. The difference is massive.
  

  soteriology is kinda like the main idea, no?

  *** w83 8/15 p. 23 par. 14 United Fruit Bearers ***

  While the “other sheep” are not branches of the Abrahamic-covenant “olive tree” or of “the true vine,” Christ Jesus, they must prove themselves to be Christ’s disciples. Like all the anointed Christian “branches,” they must “keep bearing much fruit.” This they do by producing Christlike qualities of the new personality, including “the fruitage of the spirit.” (Galatians 5:22, 23; Matthew 28:19, 20; Colossians 3:5-14) But to be really fruitful they give active expression to such qualities by sharing in the work of preaching “this good news.” (Matthew 24:14) Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,” Christ’s anointed “brothers.” Only thus can they hope to ‘inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.’—Matthew 25:31-40.

  see rule number 1
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  Concerned Parent

  by ConcernedParent in

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  i'm writing for some advice from former jws.

  my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.

  (the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.

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  Jerryh

  CP's goal is to keep her daughter safe and to prevent her from joining a cult. It is not to attempt to "rescue" her daughter's boyfriend and/or get him to wake-up and leave the cult. If that happens, great.
  

  Hi jp, I was hoping for both. tks for your input