we've just come back from taking the kids to the zoo
I thought I saw you pass my cage. Just as well you didnt stop and say hello, else the kids would be traumatised for life.
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Simon and Angharad
by mommy injust a little note to let you know you are in my prayers!
i know tomorrow you go before the gullitione.
hope everything works out for you.
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Who's to blame?
by ozziepost inwhen viv mouritz , former branch coordinator in australia, addressed the special meeting of sydney and surrounding area congregations at the superdome last weekend, he blamed the young witnesses who were leaving "the truth" for the drop in numbers in australia.. at the service meeting this week in one sydney congregation it was announced by a bethel elder that the elders have been told (as if they didn't know already!
) that 2,000 have left "the truth" in the past two years in australia.
this typical congregation of 120 publishers has lost 19 inactive since 1999.. the march 2001 issue of kingdom ministry (australian edition) gives the number of publishers for december as 58,426, pioneers 3,315 and 19 baptized.. in dec '98 there were 58,706 pubs,and in dec '99 there were 58,000.. with 1,600-1,800 being baptized each year, there is indeeed a 2,000 shortfall.. so, who's to blame?
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ianao and larc:
Like MDS has said, how would you know what we have discussed privately in confidence? I think he was totally justified in his replies to you.
Please stop using me as a weapon to try and disprove what you cant. Its not working. You are only making yourselves look stupid. I dont want to fall out with people on here, but I dont appreciate what you are trying to do. I know you care, im grateful for that, but, your actions are not helping OK?
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WTS - words they wish forgotten
by TR inrussell:.
"there is no organization today clothed with authority.
" (wt 9/1/1893 p. 458).
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The change in the Dedication Questions in the Baptism Ceremonies of all JWs worldwide.
Question #2 used to state:
"On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God's Word as His Holy Spirit makes it plain?" (See Wt 1970 pg. 309 par. 20)
New Question #2 (the more improved version)
"Do you understand that your deication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" (See 6/1/85 Wt. pg. 30 par. 3,4)
In the new improved question, you are no longer directed by (a) Christ Jesus, (b) The Bible and the leadings of the (c) "holy spirit," of God.
So, how are JWs now led...how? Well, JWs can no longer make the claim they are led by Jesus, the Holy spirit and the bible, no, no, because of the change, yes...since the year of 1985, since they are NOW DIRECTED by the "organization," the "spirit-directed organization," WHICH TAKES THE PLACE of (a) Jesus Christ, (b)The Bible and the leadings of the (c) Holy Spirit of God.
Which Questions posed to the baptismal is MORE BIBLE BASED...which? Which one is a "commandment of men," which?
I think you can answer that one.
Well, that's the improvement of the questions in 1985, five years after the "Bethel Breakup", and 10 years after the "1975 teaching," perpetrated by the "spirit-directed organization," Headquartered in Brooklyn New York. That's the change, that's the improvement.
Yes, these are proven "commandments of men," "traditions of men," yes idolatry, "creature worship" all accepted and practiced by JWs, and the WTS. All neatly, swept "under the rug," and dismissed as "never, ever happening at all." They never made any such changes in their "dedication" ceremonies...this never happened, or it is of "little consequence," to them. Yes, they are free from any involvement of "creature worship," idolatry, worship of man, and his traditions.
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Strange WT contradictions and backpeddling
by TR inbeth sarim:.
beth sarim was built in 1929 as a proof that the resurrection would soon take place.
(salvation, p. 311).
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THEOCRATIC STRATEGY/LYING -- The 1914 Teaching:
It has been long taught, by the WTS Headquarters staff, and in the printed publications, that JWs can indeed "lie" or tell total "untruths" to those "who are not deserving" of an honest answer. This has been practiced in courts in the legal system, and is a common practice today, as indicated by the outright duplicity demonstrated in the "Bulgarian/Blood" situation. This is an established fact.
This has been established procedure for many years now, as can be attested to by reviewing information found in the "Aid to Bible Understanding" and "Insight on Scriptures" publications on the subject of a "Lie." A clear definition of it is given, and gives the basis for what is called "theocratic strategy," wherein the WTS will clearly TELL OUTRIGHT UNTRUTHS to the government officials, and persons of high rank within the government, when it conflicts with ideals, goals and aspirations of the WTS. The also teach their membership to do the same when so confronted.
Jesus said all forms of "lying" comes Satan the Devil." -- See John 8:44
Jesus also promised that "all those lying," "LIKING and CARRYING ON A LIE"... will be given over the total destruction of in the "Lake of Fire," which means the "second death." -- See Rev. 21:8, 22:15
PLEASE NOTE: Also, the "carrying on of a lie", as maintained by WTS and Headquarters staff, can also be seen in the constant and persistent teaching of "1914" Doctrine, which unquestionably is an outright ruse, fable, or "artfully contrived false story," -- a bold face "lie," perpetrated by the WTS upon the world for over 120 years, which cannot be proven from the Holy Scriptures of God! -- 2 Peter 1:16
However, first century Christians can NOT be charged as having taught, any such foolish thing. They have no such Gigantic "Lie", false teaching to their credit, that has been perpetrated over such a long period of time, and finally done in such a totally unrepentant manner as by the WTS.
The 1914 CANNOT be substantiated within the Bible, the Bible does not even mention any such "date" associated the kingship of Jesus Christ. It is not taught in Scripture...this is a "man-made" concoction...a "commandment of men."
One cannot be baptized, nor accepted as one of Jehovah's Witnesses even today, unless he ACCEPTS this teaching by the WTS, as coming from God...even today.
..."commandments of men."
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I wanna play with the pichas!
by expatbrit ini realise that this has probably been explained ad nausiewotsit, but i can't find out where.
how do i use all those little face icons?.
expatbrat
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Hello and welcome
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A look into the devil's workshop
by spectromize innow we all know for you who have attended meetings at the kingdom hall and heard speakers from the platform give us bible verses and telling us that the ruler of this world is the devil of which i firmly believe due to the fact that this world is completely warped.. .
doesn't it strike you funny to see that satan who makes the rules for his system can't keep them and tries to manipulate rules and regulations always in his favor and that of his seed.. .
#1 example- did you know that according to the bible that satan's agents keep transforming themselves into agents of light.
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Did you know that according to the Bible that satan's agents keep transforming themselves into agents of light.
Governments who routinely make laws also routinely break them, all in the name of lust for power accomplishing their father satan's will in controlling people.
Interesting...
>>> http://www.geocities.com/logical_7/index.html
Edited by - logical on 15 February 2001 11:26:49
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Silentlambs--ELDER LIABILITY ALERT!!!
by Investigator inwts attorney--morenowhos screwed?!?.
the legal liabilities are rapidly mounting for congregation elders & kingdom hall properties.
this will involve all legal matters especially pedophile cases.
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Hi
I’d say we need to really study our Bi8bles without Org. interpretations and see if it really says what we’ve been told.
We do need to study the bible, and take in accurate knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus, this means everlasting life. (John 17:3)
But, how do we gain this? Jeremiah 23:18 talks about an "intimate group", that we must belong in, to see and hear Jehovah's word:
"For who has stood in the intimate group of Jehovah that he might see and hear his word? Who has given attention to his word that he might hear it".
Verse 22 continues: "But if they stood in my intimate group, then they would have made my people hear my own words, and they would have caused them to turn back from their bad way and from the badness of their dealings"
So, it is of utmost importance to be in this "intimate group". The WTS have ignored this councel, and the intimate group's warnings. They have rejected the truth, and hence, they are apostate.
I am working on a post discussing Jeremiah 23:16-22, which will be a lot more detailed discussing this.
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Hello...Hello...Hello (cont) #3
by Prisca inwell someone had to do it, so it might as well be prim & proper prisca to do the honors in the sex forum...... .
this thread is for all newbies to introduce yourselves.
whatever you feel happy to reveal about yourself.
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Waiting for an apology?
by LDH ini was recently talking to a friend, an ex-admin from witnet, who said that they felt i was 'owed' an apology because of an offensive remark made on this board.. i didn't give it too much credence, since from time to time we all say things we shouldn't, but it did start a dialogue between us about things we would apologise for if we could.. on a really 'general' note, i mentioned i would apologise to every householder to whom i might have came across as being god's finger on their doorstep.
for people who are supposed to be humble, when you are told every day of your life that you have the 'truth,' it becomes obvious that everyone else has a 'lie.
' therefore, it's not too hard to picture yourself being sanctimonious at the door while preaching the gospel of our lord jesus.. i really can't comment on what he said because i would reveal his identity and don't have his permission to do so, but suffice it to say he wanted to apologise for pushing off his personal preferences on others (which he didn't even believe but which were being taught as the word of god).
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