i have been thinking a great deal about where i stand at this moment in time in terms of a belief in a creator verses a belief in an evolutionary process.
i think the best way to describe it is an exploratory path.
i look at what is around me and i acknowledge it is remarkable.
I haven't read all of the posts, I'll just comment. I think probability fails in explaining certain things. While there are certain things that seem impossible, statistically speaking, they happen or have happened anyways.
I ask, is probabilty a good measurement for reality?
from the niv:.
17 he brought up against them the king of the babylonians,[g] who killed their young men with the sword in the sanctuary, and did not spare young men or young women, the elderly or the infirm.
god gave them all into the hands of nebuchadnezzar.
Oy, thanks!
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98 years later, the 1914 date is still important to the watchtower organization.. .
below is a screenshot of a portion of page 19 from the may 15, 2012 watchtower magazine.. .
Another interesting question would be - how are they going to explain about being wrong about the King of the North? Who is the new King of the North going to be?
Given they've already been bold and brash enough to revise the Revelation - Grand Climax book, it wouldn't be too troublesome to do the same for the King of the North. I doubt they would completely rework everything they've published. They will do it in bits and pieces, like 1984.
God, I just love referencing 1984.
i had a few comments to make regarding paul grundy's jwfact.com website.
these comments are in no way meant to defend jws, but only to point out illogical statements.
i have actually found his website to be quite informative.. .
The Governing Body or Elders were not physically holding them from doing so. I am a big proponent of people recognizing that they have free will, no matter how difficult the consequences may be that follow.
Mmmhmm. Do it, or be shunned. Not much of a choice. To top it off do it, or in GB's belief, transgress before God.
Grundy would have us believe that anyone should compromise on their personal beliefs, just so as not to become an object of hatred. This is not an idea I subscribe to.
No. The problem is these particular people's personal beliefs were shaped, molded, crafted by the GB so as to believe their actions were pleasing God. The ultimate responsibility lies at the hands of GB.
This statement is very questionable. Again, Grundy is minimizing the fact that every human should have the right to choose. I feel that he is implying that no Malawian JW agreed with the position on purchasing a party card.
Whether an individual agreed is not important. They were collectively forbidden from holding cards, under threat of DF. There in lies the problem.
from the niv:.
17 he brought up against them the king of the babylonians,[g] who killed their young men with the sword in the sanctuary, and did not spare young men or young women, the elderly or the infirm.
god gave them all into the hands of nebuchadnezzar.
From the NIV:
17 He brought up against them the king of the Babylonians, [g] who killed their young men with the sword in the sanctuary, and did not spare young men or young women, the elderly or the infirm. God gave them all into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. 18 He carried to Babylon all the articles from the temple of God, both large and small, and the treasures of the LORD’s temple and the treasures of the king and his officials. 19 They set fire to God’s temple and broke down the wall of Jerusalem; they burned all the palaces and destroyed everything of value there.
20 He carried into exile to Babylon the remnant, who escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and his successors until the kingdom of Persia came to power. 21 The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah.
Now, is this text saying what I think it's saying? That Jerusalem lay desolate for 70 years? I've seen Doug Mason's critique along with AnnOmaly's posts and I've used the search function but, I can't find anything that deals with this text well. Any help? I appreciate it.
...or so the latest wt claims.
(may 15th pages 28-30).
it truly blows my mind that they can be this clueless about thier own pharisaical bent.. my favorite bit:.
Isn't bugger the male recipient of the homosexual activity? LOL.
Perhaps some jonadab pâté would make a good accompaniment?
watchtowers gunpoint .
today i uploaded a new article to my blog addressing what watchtower self-describes as a dreadful power.
this article features telling statements made by watchtower itself, and astounding observations shared by well credentialed authorities.
IF it is THE TRUTH....why does it keep changing?
Terry, the mastermind apologists that know they haven't a leg to stand on say "indeed, the truth doesn't change, it is our understanding of it."
If only you saw the liberties and double-standards they take when I discuss this with them!
any other reason than the arbitrary explanation that you were brainwashed or seduced by a millenarianist doomsday cult?.
I was 10 years old and it was all I knew. Every other religion I had been exposed to had been thoroughly debunked as false. There was also JW peer pressure, and it was argued that it was better for me to get baptised then, before Armaggedon came.
It just took a little longer to see that this religion's claims are just as unfounded as all the others.
BTW Celestial, I sent you a private message on the congregation that marked a kid for having worldy friends. I hope you got it.
the one thing that got to me was that this religion is illogical.
their "logic" is ridiculous, especially when it comes to their blood doctrine.
downright weird!.
My point of argument is that if God isn't partial and is just, then why are there so many religions out there today?
That alone to me dispells not only JW's but, any other religion out there claiming to have the "truth".
