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  Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument

  by Terry in

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  this is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.

  if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.

  oh--that free will maguffin!.

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  Aw hell, I won't argue with your line of reasoning. I liked what you said.
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  Russian Prosecutor's office seeks to declare Jehovah's Witnesses leaflets extremist

  by sizemik in

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  2. beliefs

  prosecutor's office seeks to declare jehovah's witnesses leaflets extremist.

  kursk, march 14 - rapsi.

  the kursk regional court has started considering the prosecutor's office petition to declare five jehovah's witnesses religious leaflets extremist, the court spokesman albert aseyev told ria novosti on wednesday.. "the leaflets speak about general and spiritual issues.

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  I've always struggled with the issue internally. I wouldn't say they are extremist on a personal level. (at least in my experience) But, when you are distributing pamphlets that say all religions are of the Devil, well hell, how can you not be considered extremist?
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  Secret signal to find each other at District Convention

  by RayPublisher in

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  2. beliefs

  last year this was brought up and it was a great idea but maybe a bit too late.

  do you remember the "secret signal" that was going to be used?

  it should not be mentioned in the main thread, only through email and pms.

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  Knowsnothing

  Anyone going to Wst Plm beach? I'll be easy to detect, the one everyone is avoiding!
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  Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.

  if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.

  oh--that free will maguffin!.

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  Knowsnothing

  Ahh, but a robot would. Security in the sense of reliable. You oil it well, give it good maintenance, and it in turn serves you well. Pragmatism, my dear Watson.
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  WT June 15 on jw.org

  by Gayle in

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  2. bible

  just scanned thru quickly,,same stuff i think mostly,,dan.

  chapter 2,, world powers illustrations,,re-statements of 1914 & 607,,. by the time the lords day began.

  in 1914,pg 15.

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  Knowsnothing

  Same old same old.
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  Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.

  if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.

  oh--that free will maguffin!.

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  Knowsnothing

  Nancy, you do realise it could go both ways. You could "grow apart" as well. You'd be taking a risk. Do you prefer "security" or "growth?"
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  Want honest answers

  by independenthinker in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've wanted to make this account for the past 2 weeks, but ive been afraid that ill get caught by posting.

  do they check this site?.

  im 18 years old,baptized at 14. really my problems started a few weeks ago.

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  Knowsnothing

  Disappointing mum is tough. The thing is, if she can get along with your dad and doesn't need you, it's best you take your own course in life. Besides, if your getting married you'll be moving out, living your own life.

  This is a tough situation but at the same time, your circumstances don't seem all that bad. I wish you the best and welcome to the forum, Independenthinker.
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  It's going to get better, we promise...

  by Knowsnothing in

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  2. beliefs

  i've read a lot of terry's posts lately, and while i am not as eloquent and creative as he is, i'd like to post what i am finally able to express with words (more or less).. .

  just compare what the wt says to the rank and file to what politicians say to prospective voters.

  politicans are always promising something better.

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  Knowsnothing

  I've read a lot of Terry's posts lately, and while I am not as eloquent and creative as he is, I'd like to post what I am finally able to express with words (more or less).

  Just compare what the WT says to the rank and file to what politicians say to prospective voters. Politicans are always promising something better. "The old administration was crap." "They mishandled (insert thing they mishandled here)." "We are going to make a change. We will make things better. That's a promise you can count on."

  The thing is, human institutions are always more or less the same. Yes, progress is made at times, but there are always faults and even back-steps. Sometimes, it's not even faults, but outright devious, malicious activities that take advantages of position of power and opportunities.

  So, when you hear those political campaigns promising something new or better, you are right to be skeptical. You've done seen it all. You'd like for the promises to be true, but the real world doesn't work that way. So, even good intentions are for naught at times. If you saw something wrong with the administration, hopefully you would be responsive and do something about it, as would be expected of a good citizen. Just because there was a promise made, and you voted for that candidate, does not mean you loyalties lie with the candidate. You want someone to deliver their promise. If not, they get the boot.

  Bring in the Watchtower. The whole concept of New Light is precisely what I've outlined for politicians. They promise something new and better, "progressive refinement" as they call it, but rather just seem to run on and on in a hamster wheel. The "progressive refinement" is purported to always go forward, even when it goes backwards.

  Here is the real stinker. Whereas politicans can be voted in or out, WT GB cannot. You simply have to trust they will meet up to their demands and produce "something better." But really, we just see the same old thing over and over. You can also disagree with politicans you yourself have elected, but not with WT GB.

  The amazing thing is that looking back, you realise they've been saying this same thing for the past hundred something years.

  And for the big one. This "progressive refinement" doctrine is a taken as a guarantee they will eventually get it right. This is what their whole authority rests upon. Their past is irrelevant. Their "future" version will be correct. They will keep you on the perpetual hamster wheel.

  You threaten to leave the organisation. You have all the dirt on them. What do they say? "Jehovah will straighten things out. He always does. Things are going to get better, we promise."

  It is a false assumption that misleads many. Remember, you have a choice. If they don't deliver, while you can't vote them out, you don't have to follow them either.

  It get's better the minute you decide to do something about it. Don't put your life into people's hands you don't even know.
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  Watchtower's United Nations Association

  by Celestial in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  temporarily, there's confusion until i get the facts straight: .

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php .

  http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/default.html .

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  Knowsnothing

  A logical method of inquiry, tested by a logical method of verification would be participating in these Christian activities in pursuit of a notable perception of a supernatural force. I stated that “I'd have to be an active member of the congregation, free from vices that can compromise a person's spirituality” to achieve certainty of the truth. This is what I was referring to. If I come back empty handed I'll share my experience on this forum.

  Isn't your "inactivity" precisely because you haven't seen any of this occur in your life? I know from personal experience any claims of receiving holy spirit are wishful thinking.
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  How To Please God And Be The Perfect Misogynist

  by TOTH in

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  2. bible

  deuteronomy 21: 10 -14 tells us:.

  10 when you go to war against your enemies and the lord your god delivers them into your hands and you take captives,11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.

  12 bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured.

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  14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. ---

  Sorry but, where is she going to go after being dishonored? Prostitution? She can't go back to her homeland, it's been decimated by those God loving Israelites. She is essentially given the boot and told to fend for herself, since you are a selfish ass that decided she didn't please you.

  Hmmm.... no, nothing wrong with this picture at all. Carry on.