now that the "faithful & discreet slave class" has become essentially the governing body since 1919, almost every publication is obsolete and useless!
(i know, they are useless)..... the fds doctrine is a core teaching unique to jehovah's witnesses and now i believe they will have to change all of their understandings that are recorded in the revelation climax book, ezekiel books---every prophetic book written by the society!.
...may i point out that this has already been done before? recall what preceeded the Revelation Climax book? what about the Daniel, Isaiah, Family, Greatest man, greatest teacher? how about the Watchtower? Awake? etc., etc....
...afraid the dramatics are unjustified my friend... - Elephant
Elephant, none of these changes concern you at all? None of this bears on an objective truth?
there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.
in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.
he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.
Leolaia, when I have the time, I will read it with detail. For now, all I can say is many thanks. Someone has even posted it on reddit ex-jw (of course giving credit to you).
I always enjoy your scholarly and balanced posts. You present the info. as unbiased as possible and allow the reader to make an informed decision.
this question is for atheists and believers.
what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?
do you still think they are right about the trinity?
Yes - when you die, that's it for you.
However, this is my personal opinion, and there is no way to validate this, as hypothetically speaking, it is possible for something to exist outside the universe undetectable to us without our knowledge. Our only method of inquiry is through our natural world, through our mind.
our friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
RIP Oompa.
any thoughts?.
Never.
im a wee bit shy/scared of all this, but just wanted to introduce myself real quick...here goes.... .
hey there everybody!
im grumblecakes.
Grumble, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Welcome!
ok so i dl'd this book.
and i immediatly began reading it.
i am about 50 pdf pages into it.
What Catholics mean is that scripture, taken in its whole, does not lead to error but leads to a truer understanding of our relationship with God. This is true when, and only when, the tradition and teaching of the Church are taken into account. The claim of truth is limited to God's plan for human salvation. - Sulla
Ahh... here we go at the heart of the matter. Catholicism is tradition, plain and simple.
Since Adam and Eve weren't real, what exactly do humans need salvation for? What are we to be "saved" from?
i have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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No, King Solomon, I do not believe miracles occur in 2012, but I'm sure magic occurs.
Let's get started on debunking the underlying superstitions you hold. I've yet to see anything supernatural for myself. The only "proof" I've ever had are second-hand accounts. That's not a good sign for magic nor miracle.... If you have any experience you would like to share... by all means.
Now, this is reality TV at its best. This month, Indians were glued to their television as India’s leading tantrik or black magician Pandit Surinder Sharma tried repeatedly to kill atheist Sanal Edamaruku first with a death-causing tantra and then later with the “ultimate destruction ceremony” on live TV. This display was the result of a high-ranking government official Uma Bharati (former chief minister of the state of Madhya Pradesh) accusing her political opponents of using tantrik to cause disasters in her life.
id like to know what personally convinced you jws are wrong about a particular doctrine/practice, that they are not gods true.people and/or what made you leave emotionally/physically.
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The plurality of belief in God/Gods. If God is just, righteous, the defender of all that is good, why allow such a massive "operation of error" go unchecked? Why not intervene? Why the suffering?
Prayer doesn't work, for anyone. All one has to do is believe, then prayer becomes "real".
I lost faith in the Bible. Adam and Eve, the Flood, Jesus referring to these are real events. It all crumbles down. There is no such thing as salvation, sin, Satan, God, etc. Life makes a lot more sense without trying to justify it with the miraculous intervention of invisible deities that are unprovable.
it was another elder from my judicial committee, came up to me after i'd strapped my daughter into the car.
two things that struck me as different were (1) he didn't feel a need to bring a second elder along with him as if something that required two witnesses was going to be said by someone who'd been df'd for two years and 99.9% absent from meetings as well, and (2) he actually seemed genuinely friendly.
he simply asked if i was planning to come to the meetings again anytime soon.
Didn't really need to vent about it this time, just thought it was worth mentioning since I started talking about myself again lately. I do wonder when the Mrs. is going to find out about sd-7. I suppose it'll probably nuke our marriage if she ever does. I've said some pretty bad things about her in the past, that I would rather have kept to myself in hindsight. Well, it could be for the best anyway if that were to happen, sad as it is to say that. I've often wondered if anyone I know actually knows I'm on here, but none so far have brought it to my attention. I imagine things would get pretty ugly if they knew. At this point, though, how much more ugly can there be? The bombs dropped years ago, the madness is over now. As long as I don't strike the match, the flames won't get too hot and might even die off on their own, who knows? Ha! - sd-7
Good luck man. How would you feel without her? That is a serious question I have to contemplate myself about my family. It may be happening real soon....
