Posts by LoneWolf

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Second Toss

by IslandWoman in

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second toss: "predicting the future of the world economy" december 15, 1992 .

third toss: xxxxx.

fourth toss: xxxxx.

LoneWolf

Island Woman --- Thanks for the answer over on the other thread

Again though, please have some patience with me on this.

I think many of the "date" threads on the board are mainly speculation, and while I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I"ve usually had something else that fascinated me much more. As a result, I've never really delved into them.

However, you touch on something here that I find absolutely fascinating. Amazing was recounting on one of his threads a while back of a code that he was supposed to know if he was truly of the heavenly calling and how his hesitation in giving the right answer was construed to mean that he was an imposter. That was the first I've heard of any "codes", and I've been in or around this organization all my life. My first time card was in December of 1946, so that was a while back.

Now you hint of another code. Are you on the level here, or is this speculation? Also, if this is real, how did you become aware of them?

I realize that you may have sound reason to not answer, as recounting such experiences are sometimes dangerous and may reveal your identity. However, if you do feel free and are willing, I'd really like to know. My email is open too, and you are more than welcome to use it.

LoneWolf

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First Toss

by IslandWoman in

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"like doves flying to their dovecotes" july 15, 1992

LoneWolf

Thank you for the explanation.

LOL on the dates. Who knows? Maybe you're right.

LoneWolf

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DEAR GOV BODY'S LAWYERS

by crawdad2 in

hi lawyers of the gov body!.......how are you?.........by now there must be at least one of you that realizes the gov body's position on this issue is morally wrong........they are harboring pedophiles, and children are being molested and victimized........and you are defending them!........do you feel jehovah wants you to do that?...........think of the little children.........and what jehovah wants you to do.......... do you feel a loyalty to the gov body because they put you through law school?

who should you be loyal to?........

the gov body, or god?

LoneWolf

Grout ---- ROTFLOL!

I think you're barking up a dead horse.

Now, I've heard of barking up the wrong tree, and I've known people who beat a dead horse, but how does this "barking up a dead horse" work?

LoneWolf

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Legal Question: How Strong is Barbara's Case?

by Room 215 in

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a question for the legal beagles out there:.

since the watchtower thugs have told the press during the dateline repartee that barbara anderson was not being taken to task for her anti-molestation iniitatives, but alleged that she was being tried for ``allegations or serious sins'' unrelated to her activism, how strong a case would she have in court?.

bear in mind that barbara and the others of the dateline four say they did nothing more than speak for the protection of children and then publicly challenged the wt to publicly state their accusations and evidence, and that they would indemnify them against any charges arising therefrom.. so.... if they call her a sinner, say that her sin has nothing to do with whistle-blowing and is serious enough to merit expulsion -- as serious as adultery or theft, yet refuse to accept her challenge to show the world the basis of their charges if they are held harmless, how is that not libel and therefore actionable?

LoneWolf

While I am certainly NOT an expert in law, there are a few things I'd like to comment on.

I must agree with those who say that the climate is changing. If the Organization is really so invulnerable, then why are they going to all of the trouble of reorganizing their corporations, etc., so as to make it harder to sue them? They are telling us something here, and I feel that we should listen closely and find out why they are feeling so vulnerable. What do they know that we don't? Find out and we will have an Achilles' heel that can be exploited.

Secondly, I agree with Farkel. If we look at them and give up in hopelessness due to their imposing front, then we've given them the victory by default. Anything can be conquered. Sometimes though, it takes practice and repetition to get it right. There is no "silver bullet". Each case, whether won or not, is a lesson for us in this "course" that we are taking.

Third: Dutchie, I know that what you are saying has merits. Speaking personally though, I feel uncomfortable in pursuing the course you suggest. Barbara is a strong woman and her public image should continue to reflect that. I sense that she will lose more than she gains by crying and playing the victim card. Rather, she should stand up in moral outrage, publically call them a pack of damned liars, and demand they show proof of their allegations or be sued. Play the moral high ground --- and the media ---for all it is worth. Win or lose, they lose.

Finally, I've said from square one that individuals will not be given the proper respect and will be waved off as inconsequential. Class action is what will do the job. In the meantime, attrition, attrition, attrition! Make them feel they are fighting the wind.

Think of it this way: If Alvin Hansen of Ashland, Oregon came within a gnat's eyebrow of winning $65,000,000 from them AS AN INDIVIDUAL, how much better would our chances be as a group?

Personally, I hope that Barbara throws open her suit to all of us. I want $1 million a year myself for the 15 years I've been DFed on false charges. If 500 of us sign up for such a suit and demand a couple of billion dollars in compensation, that's going to make some real waves.

Just for the fun of it, one of the things I'd like to sue them for is malpractice. Let's see if we could bring this over from the practice of medicine to the practice of religion. I'd like to see them scramble to protect their butts from some things that they haven't faced before.

LoneWolf

Edited by - LoneWolf on 14 June 2002 3:8:17

15

First Toss

by IslandWoman in

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"like doves flying to their dovecotes" july 15, 1992

LoneWolf

Island Woman ---

Bear with me here a moment. I like your writing and appreciate your insight into things, but your original post is so criptic that I can't understand your purpose of posting it, and I'm interested.

I'm not familiar with your story. Perhaps if I was, then it would make sense to me. Would you be willing to help me out a little?

I thought that maybe there was supposed to be a picture that goes along with it, but if there was, it didn't come through.

LoneWolf

P.S. I downloaded your thoughts on why Jehovah was allowing these things to come on the Organization and comparing it to the times in the Nation of Israel when Jehovah withheld his protection due to their misconduct. I'm passing it on to others --- ones who need to consider this themselves as they are still in.

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My JW mom's response to Dateline

by buffy in

i actually decided to call my mom and ask her if she saw dateline and what she though of it.

she said she even taped it.

she said, "that abuse must be a problem or jehovah wouldn't have let it be brought out like that.

LoneWolf

Don't be discouraged though. This is a good start, and she is thinking for herself. Just keep it warm and relaxed and she'll continue to gain knowledge and understanding.

LoneWolf

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Pedophilia, Michael Kelly, and headship.

by LoneWolf in

here are a couple of aspects of the pedophile issue that i feel have not been addressed.

the first is brought up by michael kelly of the washington post writers group.

it was published yesterday in our local newspaper, the eugene (oregon) register guard.. the full article can be found here:.

LoneWolf

You're welcome.

Yes. In many if not most instances, justifiably so. Sadly, though, sometimes they take it too far in the sense that they see evil where there isn't any. One gets to feeling that one needs to be a lawyer just to say "Good morning!" to them.

There are three long term effects of this militant attitude:

a. Many of the young men who do have the desire to be decent and respectful will tolerate getting kicked in the face only so long, then will actually become what they are accused of being. "I have the name, I may as well have the game." No one appreciates injustice.

You hear of women asking, "Where have all the good men gone?" Inasmuch as their "goodness" was never recognized, let alone appreciated, many of these good men ceased to be good and became as hostile and self-centered as their accusers.

b. Many young women will observe the older women's attitudes and either adopt it themselves or lose hope that they will find any man that is worthy of respect and trust. This lack of hope is a contributing factor in the suicide rates. In this manner it also becomes part of their inheritance.

c. It nearly destroys any chance that either will ever have much chance of having a happy married life. The steriotypes of men, women, and marriage itself have been so skewed that I have a difficult time finding anything at all that is accurate in them.

Yes, I guess that I do possess many of the "traditional values", although I don't hold them just because they are traditional "s'pose to's". We are now working on our 42nd year of marriage, and there is little that we haven't faced during that time. We did everything "wrong" according to today's conventional wisdom on how to ensure a happy marriage, yet we love one another more now than at first. There is no way under the sun we would have lasted this long if we had used today's "wisdom".

Really though, I can hardly expect anyone to understand the scope and depth of what I'm trying to say here. If we ever have a chance to meet perhaps I'll get a chance to tell you a little of the love story that has kept me enthralled and inspired all of my adult life, and then you will be able to understand some of what I speak of.

'Til then, smile and be of good courage.

LoneWolf

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Pedophilia, Michael Kelly, and headship.

by LoneWolf in

here are a couple of aspects of the pedophile issue that i feel have not been addressed.

the first is brought up by michael kelly of the washington post writers group.

it was published yesterday in our local newspaper, the eugene (oregon) register guard.. the full article can be found here:.

LoneWolf

LOL, wasasister.

Yes, you probably have, and thank you for not "going all Feminist" with me.

What I am referring to here is that if a man is living up to what he should be, the women around him will not have to be constantly on their guard. This means that he must take the lead in the sense that he keeps himself under control instead of expecting her to exert restraint for both of them.

The results are beautiful for both too. She now has the opportunity to take the initiative if she so desires, instead of having to constantly be on the defensive. In turn, he gains something that is even more beautiful than her love --- her trust and faith.

Does that sound better?

LoneWolf

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The Clergy- Laity Watchtower Lie

by metatron in

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i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.

have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.

the society wants.

LoneWolf

metatron ---

There is one thing here that I think you may be overlooking. The clergy - laity distinction is not really a function of whether they get paid or not. If it was, the term "paid clergy" would be a redundancy.

Rather, it is a distinction based on elitism. Certain ones have the "authority" to think and reason on the scriptures, while the others don't. Instead, they are expected and required, at times, to believe what has been prepared for them, or else.

YoYoMama's comments really have nothing to do with whether or not they are clergy, as financial remuneration is immaterial.

LoneWolf

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Pedophilia, Michael Kelly, and headship.

by LoneWolf in

here are a couple of aspects of the pedophile issue that i feel have not been addressed.

the first is brought up by michael kelly of the washington post writers group.

it was published yesterday in our local newspaper, the eugene (oregon) register guard.. the full article can be found here:.

LoneWolf

But to look at it from their viewpoint, perhaps they could justify their conduct by quoting Deuteronomy 25:4. It reads:

"You must not muzzle a bull while it is threshing."

What do you think?

LoneWolf