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  draft letter - editorial comments?

  by wasasister in

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  the following is the first-draft of a letter i would like to send to the society.

  any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

  (don't worry, i've developed a thick-skin.

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  LoneWolf

  Howdy, Wasasister!

  Heck, why don't we all sign it? We could send you emails authorizing you to type in our names at the bottom. The more the merrier.

  LoneWolf
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  Doin' a little research.

  by LoneWolf in

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  could anyone give me a little background and/or personality analysis on the wtbts writer ciro aulicino?

  he interests me.

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  Could anyone give me a little background and/or personality analysis on the WTBTS writer Ciro Aulicino? He interests me.
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  night you will be disfellow or reproved should u?.

  by jazz in

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  go to the hall and face the music or stay home and watch t.v this thought went through my head when an elder asked a sister if her husband was to embarrased to sit in the hall when they made the announcement what do you think?

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  Wal, wal! Brings back fond memories. I went. Kept my head up and kept a sardonic smile on my face the whole time. Took my sweet time about leaving afterwards too.

  Of course at the last committee meeting we were all told to keep everything hush-hush. Naturally, I went around and told everyone everything BEFORE it was announced.

  This was objected to, but I explained that when they DFed me, they removed themselves from having any form of authority over me. They could think of no retort. I liked their red faces.

  Ditto when I commented that I certainly had no reason to be ashamed of anything I did and was wondering if they were embarrassed over their own conduct and could that be the reason for their desire for secrecy?

  Thirteen years later, I still attend meetings with my family occasionally. At first, a few numbskulls challenged me, but I ate enough of them enough times that they just shut up and get the hell out of the road now. My wife and kids are treated well, and even some of the elder's kids are allowed to come over and play with mine at times.

  Numerous times I've been asked if I would like to come back in. My answer is always the same. "Sure. Just as soon as we discuss the circumstances of my disfellowshipping."

  "We can't do that," they answer.

  "You will." Personally, I'm enjoying the situation.

  LoneWolf
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  Freedom of Thought and JW Opposers

  by dunsscot in

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  does freedom of thought really obtain in this forum?

  are those who have left god's organization and jehovah god himself actually now more open-minded and unbiased?

  if those who espouse atheistic thoughts or those who believe every vile utterance spoken against jehovah's people think they are now speaking from some olympian perspective, i beg to differ.

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  LoneWolf

  Hello, dunsscot,

  I've been following this thread with interest and figured to add my two cents. Your original questions were good and the sentiment appreciated, though I realize that others may not agree. That is their privilege.

  IMHO the mind sets of those who have left the Organization follow, as a general rule, the same patterns of the way they were before they left. Those who had closed minds before are still closed now, but in other matters. Those who were open to new thought are still open to new thought. Those who were sloppy, concise, methodical, etc., etc., are still that way.

  I imagine that some will challenge me on this, so keep in mind that I am NOT referring to their knowledge, as the vast majority of us have learned a great deal. What I AM referring to is the way they process that knowledge. As you know, human nature and habits are hard to change.

  I must agree with AF though. Your big words may sound good to a few, but as to practicality, the word "useless" comes to mind. They do a far better job of obfuscating your meanings than the clarifying of them.

  I'm offering the following in a good faith effort to add to the questions under discussion. This is my own concept and is not meant to be definitive.

  It was attached to a letter written about a month ago to one of the Society's trouble-shooters who moved into our congregation along with four others to (apparently) keep an eye on whatever mischief I'm up to this time. (At least I take pleasure in the supposition!! Hehehehe!!!!)

  “WHAT IS TRUTH?”

  To my readers: This article is not for the purpose of “instructing” you in anything, but simply submitted in the hope that you can use some of these concepts or (especially desired) add to them. My thought is that we all use up too much time and effort fighting over our respective “truths” and completely overlook the marvelous opportunity to use other’s insights to advance the body of human knowledge beyond where it is now.

  Pontius Pilate’s question to Jesus, “What is truth?” (John 18:38) is as apropos now as it was then. Billions of people have pondered that question down over the milleniums.
  
  Ever since mankind has come into existence they have been gaining in knowledge. It was slow at first and gradually picked up speed until, in the past two centuries, it has literally exploded. That knowledge has turned much, if not most, of our ancestor's knowledge on its head.

  This steady advance in knowledge is normal, natural, and prophesied. It was mentioned numerous times in the Bible. 1 Corinthians 13: 9-12 is a good example, while 1 Peter 1: 11, 12 enlarges on it to the extent that even the angels themselves were looking forward to additional knowledge. Ezekiel's vision as recorded in Ezekiel 47: 1-6 is especially enlightening inasmuch as most authorities understand that the "water" spoken of here is a reference to knowledge and how it increases down through the centuries.

  Due to this factor, then, we function on the premise that everything is subject to examination and nothing and no one is too sacred to escape that examination.

  The Three Kinds of Truth

  A learned friend of mind, a professor of ethics in an eastern university, divided truth into these three categories:

  1. Absolute Truth --- That truth which corresponds to absolute reality, and is usually known only to our heavenly creator and to those whom he decides to give it. The term "absolute reality" refers to the totality of knowledge that exists on any given subject as viewed through His eyes.

  2. Relative Truth --- The progress that we imperfect humans make toward gaining "Absolute Truth", but never quite reach in spite of our best efforts. There is always more to learn.

  3. Relative Truth Believed Absolutely --- A "Relative Truth" that we have gained such confidence in that we refuse to consider any further evidence concerning it.”

  I find this concept fascinating in that it is a way to structure knowledge and emphasize to all regardless of our education or intelligence, that there is a whole world of “truth” out there that is as yet untouched. To those who understand it, it tends to reduce conflict and encourage the sharing of viewpoints without ego interfering with our helping one another to advance. It is a way to sharpen one another’s “face”, as the scripture says. (Prov. 27:17) It’s a whole new frontier where everyone can explore and be thrilled by their part in it.

  It also clearly depicts a danger that we are all prone to make.

  Expanded Thinking

  We might view it in this manner:

  Truth is much like an artichoke. It has many leaves and each leaf has a small amount of nutrient under it. Most people will pull off a few leaves, be satisfied with what they’ve found, and never think that it would be advantageous to pull off a few more to see what is under them too.

  To illustrate: Most of us know that 1+1=2. It becomes to many an ‘absolute truth believed absolutely’ that they ‘know’ and won’t question. However, is it always?

  What if we are dealing in the binary base where the only numbers used are “0” and “1”? Then it isn’t 2, it’s 10. At one time, such a concept would have been considered a silly mind game, but now that principle is the very heart of the computer world. They wouldn’t work without it. Who would have believed a century ago that the binary base would come to have such importance in the world now?

  Or what if we are in the world of biology? There 1+1 can equal 2, or 200, or 2,000, or 2,000,000. It all depends upon how long the 1 has been with the other 1. Look at the rabbits in Australia and all of the environmental damage they’ve caused.

  Please note that neither of these “expanded” concepts contradicts the original. They merely add to the standard body of “Truth”.

  Another example of the different layers of truth would be a riddle I’ll bet you’ve heard. It’s about a bear hunter and goes like this:

  The hunter woke up in the morning, ate breakfast, grabbed his rifle and left camp looking for bears. After walking one mile due south, he spotted a bear to the east. Heading due east, he caught up to the bear and shot and killed it at a point exactly one mile from where he first saw it. After skinning it out, he packed the hide exactly one mile due north, which brought him back to his camp, only to discover that another bear had raided the camp.

  Now, what was the color of the bear that raided the camp?

  Most people will say that the problem is impossible in the first place, as if one were to go one mile south, one mile east, and one mile north, he won’t be back at his camp. He’ll still be one mile east of camp.

  Others, though, will feel good about themselves as they’ve recognized that the clues are in the directions. They can see that if the camp was set up exactly on the North Pole, you would end up right back where you started. The eastern leg would be merely an arc going around the pole. From there the answer is obvious. The bear was white.

  However, we can take this one step further. There is an infinity of other places upon the earth where we can follow the same directions and still get back to the same place. Can you tell me the general locale where they exist, and what the route will look like?

  It is this “expanded thinking” that can be extremely valuable. It is from there that we gain new knowledge and add to our ‘”relative truths”. Just like wandering through an unexplored wilderness, one never knows what will be discovered.

  Identifying Those “Leaves”

  One way to discover new knowledge is to search for commonalties or “patterns” in things that are seemingly unrelated.

  An excellent example of one would be the experience of Dmitri I. Mendeleev and the way he came to formulate his Periodic Table of Elements. He noticed that some of the various elements had similar qualities, and that they appeared on a predictable basis in relationship to their atomic weight. (For further information, please check him out in the encyclopedia.)

  But let’s look an example in another subject. The need for love, peace, kindness, honesty, integrity, and a host of other qualities are yearned for by people of all races, languages, and eras. The laws as set forth by Genghis Khan reflect an astonishingly similar value system as that of the laws given to Israel, even though the man was neither Christian or Jewish nor familiar with either. That these same feelings are found in all peoples is de facto evidence that this is the way that Jehovah designed us, as well as a witness to His qualities.

  I would say in regard to the ‘heavenly court case’ that is going on right now between Jehovah and Satan, that a good attorney could make a beautiful ‘closing argument’ on the basis of that one commonality alone. Satan keeps maintaining that all humans prefer his ways of doing things, but when humans strive to get as close to Jehovah’s ways as possible even when they are unaware of them, it makes Satan look like a fool.

  It has been said that much can be told about an artist by examining his works. If even the stones can bear a witness (Luke 19:40), how much more can a living thing? This is why I have always laughed at the concept of removing all windows from Kingdom Halls, ostensibly for the reason that the young will be less distracted from the proceedings under way. If the truth was known, the average tree can give a better witness to Jehovah’s qualities than the average elder. One just has to know how to “read” the language.

  Of course, both are valuable, each in its own unique way. They compliment each other.

  Another Valuable Resource

  There are those who frown on reading or dealing with contrary thought. Those who do, appear to have forgotten a few things. In 1 Cor. 9:19-20, Paul speaks of how he strove to become different things to different people in order that “ . . . I may become a sharer of it (the good news) with others.” To do that means becoming familiar with what and how they believe. At times it is necessary to know their beliefs even better than they do.

  Of course, that by no means indicates that we should become exactly what they are, even as the passage points out more than once. Rather, he’s saying that it is necessary to know their thought processes. In a very real way it is like learning another language, it’s just that the two languages happen to use the same words.

  Then too, we might just ask ourselves these questions: Is truth weaker than falsehood? If not, then why are we afraid?

  Here are some other advantages to knowing contrary thought:

  a. Contrary thought provides the questions that need answered.

  b. Most advances spring from unusual, independent, or heretical thinking. Even if an idea is totally crazy, it may trigger a good one in someone else’s mind.

  c. In looking over our work, we can contrast it with the old and see the advantages for ourselves.

  d. So that we will have the tools and freedom necessary to make a decision for ourselves, and glory in that freedom, which incidentally, is the only way to formulate the type of answer that Jehovah requests of us.

  A Matter of Perspective

  We need to keep in mind that the “truth” we possess right now is miniscule in comparison to everything that can be learned. Look at it this way:

  If, in the 1600's, we would have walked across the room, flicked a switch on the wall and a bright light suddenly appeared in the ceiling, we would have probably been hung for witchcraft.

  Or, to use another example, picture two of the most intelligent men of their age, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, trying to understand and fix one of today's computers when it was broken down.

  When we look into the past and compare our knowledge now with what they had then, we appear to be light years ahead of them. That makes us feel good and flatters our egos. But in the process we tend to forget that there is far more yet to learn; many more “leaves” to discover on our “truths”.

  We could say that we are like a sand flea on the beach in Alaska. Every evening at dusk they migrate down to the water line and every dawn go right back up to the vegetation line to sleep during the day. All we are is like the one who decided to go a little farther, climbed the 15 foot bank above the shore and looked out at the magnificent view that no other sand flea in history ever saw.

  He would be quite proud of himself, wouldn't he? He may even wish to lord it over his fellows and claim to have all knowledge. But what he doesn't realize is that a few miles further inland, there is a mountain that goes up another 20,305 feet. That rather dwarfs his measly 15 feet, doesn't it? How are we any different?

  How foolish we are to allow any of our "truths" to become "relative truths believed absolutely"!

  Dunsscot, I found it amusing that in the telephone call I received from him a few days later, one that lasted a good 45 minutes (even though I've been disfellowshipped for more than 12 years now for the crime of thinking without permission) he made no reference at all to anything I brought up in this article.

  The one major difference we have is I strongly believe that while many of the GB and lower ranks may have/had good heart conditions, the Holy Spirit has never, is not now, and will never (at least in this system of things) "inspire", "aide", or _____ (insert any other euphemism) any man in any organization here in these last days. I say that for some very profound reasons.

  That they claim such is just like your use of big words, or some people's use of alcohol. It imparts a false courage and sense of security in the user, while turning others off.

  On average, though, thanks for the thread. I enjoyed it.

  LoneWolf
  Alias: Tom Howell
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  CRUMBLING WALLS OF THE WATCHTOWER

  by Kent in

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  i found it on this webpage:.

  http://www.theawaregroup.com/tab%20articles/wtchupdate.htm.

  crumbling walls of the watchtower.

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  Kent ---

  I stumbled across this about 6 months ago. Apparently this is both very real and very sensitive to the Society. Did some posting on it then on the old H2O site. As you may or may not know, I've made no secret of who I am, and still don't.

  Sense then 4 very high-octane elders moved into this congregation (coincidence?) including one who is a trouble-shooter and very high up there. I had a "secret" talk with one of them and while nothing overt was said, the scripture about "grabbing hold of the ears of a dog" (Prov. 26:17) was brought up. When I asked how that applied, the subject was changed.

  I've been digging quite a bit on this, but don't have all the answers yet. Needless to say, there is a great deal I'm not saying at this time. Let's just say that there's a lot more to this than smoke.

  This is one reason I haven't posted much lately. Been too busy (and fascinated) by these developments. Feel free to email me.

  LoneWolf
  Alias: Tom Howell
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  DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#4b

  by Amazing in

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  deceptive jw elders case#4b .

  but jesus called them to him, and said, you know that the princes of the gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

  my son-in-law said that the young jw man arrived and stayed a while, started to watch the movie, but then left.

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  Been there, done that, long time ago. I remember one time all the way back in l961 that I handed an elder (actually there weren't any elders then, just servants of various stripes) a typewritten note telling him to leave me and mine alone, as I considered him incompetant to counsel us on any subject, for any reason, at any time.

  Talk about laying watermelons edgewise!! Hehehehehe!! He laid about a dozen, then went screaming to the other servants. I'd already given them their copies and he hit a brick wall.

  I've been enjoying your series.

  LoneWolf
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  DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#3

  by Amazing in

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  deceptive jw elders case#3 .

  for there is nothing hid, save that it should be manifested; neither was (anything) made secret, but that it should come to light.

  mark 4:22 .

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  Hello, Amazing ---

  I appreciated your comments. Except for minor details, Br. A's experience is almost identical with mine.

  LoneWolf
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  "What Is Truth?"

  by LoneWolf in

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  a few of us have been conversing by email on this subject and i thought id throw it out for all to consider, as it affects all of us.. im interested in this subject as it is the question pontius pilate asked jesus, what is truth?

  (john 18:37, 38) also, it seems especially apropos for our day as if ever there was a time that truth was needed, it is now.. for me, the following concepts help tremendously, as they are ways to classify and organize truth itself and helps us to realize when we are getting complacent in our thinking.

  it also helps emphasize just how little we know, streamlines our avenues of inquiry, and makes the very process of learning exciting.

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  Hello, kes152

  I have no problem with what you write, but it is a case in point. That is the "milk of the word", and I wish to move on to some of the "meat" (Heb. 5:12-14)

  Let's illustrate by going back to my first post and the example of 1+1=2. I gave two additional answers that could be true, depending upon the circumstances. They were ways that most people don't even think of, and yet none of them contradict the original. They are simply different facits of that truth that lend themselves to a deeper understanding of the subject.

  Likewise here. It is true that we can come to a knowledge of our Creator through a study of the Bible. However, even the Bible itself implies that we can gain a witness as to his qualities from the creations themselves. (Luke 19:40) Have you ever received a spiritual uplift by taking a long walk in the woods or on the seashore, by standing on the rim of the Grand Canyon, or witnessed the birth of your child?

  Does this mean that studying these creations can be substituted for the Bible? No. However, they can give us a deeper understanding of him and make us feel closer to him.

  Likewise here. If "God is truth", then by studying truth and how it works, are we not also studying God?

  Think about it.

  LoneWolf
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  Am I unwelcome here?

  by Esmeralda in

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  i've been sitting here a little while lurking about and reading posts...and.

  forcing myself not to post to several threads that i know would get me.

  i have a comment that i have to make though, and i hope that.

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  Hi, Es,

  Like you, I'm not sure that my comments are welcome on this thread.
  As you know, I've done my share of lowering the boom on those who abuse others on the board.

  My thought though is that sometimes it is necessary to return tit for tat in order to lessen an influence that will discourage the younger or those without the courage to post what is on their mind. The only alternative is to let the abusers run riot and continue running off the ones who could benefit from this the most.

  It's an unfortunate and unpleasant necessity, as well as thankless, but without it a small group will take it upon themselves to pass judgement on others hearts and the forum will deteriorate into little more than a small mutual admiration society.

  Don't believe the way that some fools have painted me on this board. After forty years of marriage to the same wonderful girl and five daughters (& one son too), if I was the monster they made me out to be I wouldn't be received emails from my daughters like I did about a week ago. She was encouraging me to take care of myself better and closed by saying ". . . for you are very wise, very good, very imperfect, and very loved." Ours is a warm, tight family, and that would never have come to pass if I didn't have deep respect for everyone's viewpoints and needs.

  Stay, Es. I enjoy your thought and unusual insights. Don't let other's harshness bother you.

  LoneWolf
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  "What Is Truth?"

  by LoneWolf in

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  a few of us have been conversing by email on this subject and i thought id throw it out for all to consider, as it affects all of us.. im interested in this subject as it is the question pontius pilate asked jesus, what is truth?

  (john 18:37, 38) also, it seems especially apropos for our day as if ever there was a time that truth was needed, it is now.. for me, the following concepts help tremendously, as they are ways to classify and organize truth itself and helps us to realize when we are getting complacent in our thinking.

  it also helps emphasize just how little we know, streamlines our avenues of inquiry, and makes the very process of learning exciting.

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  Hi, All,

  A few of us have been conversing by email on this subject and I thought I’d throw it out for all to consider, as it affects all of us.

  I’m interested in this subject as it is the question Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, “What is truth?” (John 18:37, 38) Also, it seems especially apropos for our day as if ever there was a time that “truth” was needed, it is now.

  For me, the following concepts help tremendously, as they are ways to classify and organize truth itself and helps us to realize when we are getting complacent in our thinking. It also helps emphasize just how little we know, streamlines our avenues of inquiry, and makes the very process of learning exciting. There is no subject to which it does not apply.

  A previous correspondent told me of the three different types of truth, and I greatly appreciated his thought. They were:

  Absolute Truth
  
  That truth which corresponds to absolute reality, and is usually known only to our heavenly creator and to those whom he decides to give it.

  Relative Truth
  
  The progress that we imperfect humans make toward gaining "Absolute Truth", but never quite reach in spite of our best efforts.

  Relative Truth Believed Absolutely

  A "Relative Truth" that we have gained such confidence in that we refuse to consider any further evidence concerning it.”

  But there is a great deal more that needs to be said. To go on with a further analysis of truth in this matter, I submit the following:

  I view truth as being much like an artichoke. Each truth has many leaves and each leaf has a small amount of nutrient under it. Most people will pull off a few leaves, be satisfied with what they’ve found, and never think that it would be advantageous to pull off a few more to see what is under them.

  To illustrate: Most of us know that 1+1=2. It becomes an ‘absolute truth believed absolutely’ that we ‘know’ and won’t question. However, is it always?

  What if we are dealing in the binary base? Then it isn’t 2, it’s 10. At one time, such a concept would have been considered a silly mind game, but now that principle is the very heart of the computer world. They wouldn’t work without it. Who would have believed a century ago that the binary base would come to have such importance in the world now?

  Or what if we are in the world of biology? There 1+1 can equal 2, or 200, or 2,000, or 2,000,000. It all depends upon how long the 1 has been with the other 1. Look at the rabbits in Australia and all of the environmental damage they’ve caused.

  Another example of the different layers of truth would be that riddle I’ll bet you’ve heard about the bear hunter. It goes like this:

  The hunter woke up in the morning, ate breakfast, grabbed his rifle and left camp looking for bears. After walking one mile due south, he spotted a bear to the east. Heading due east, he caught up to the bear and shot and killed it at a point exactly one mile from where he first saw it. After skinning it out, he packed the hide exactly one mile due north, which brought him back to his camp, only to discover that another bear had raided the camp.

  Now, what was the color of the bear that raided the camp?

  Most of us will feel good about ourselves in recognizing that the clues are in the directions. At most places on earth, it would be impossible to get back to the same place by following those directions, as we would still be one mile east of the camp when done. However, if the camp was set up exactly on the north pole, you would end up right back where you started. The eastern leg would be merely an arc going around the pole. The route itself would look like a slice of pie. From there the answer is obvious. The bear was white.

  However, we can take this one step further. There is an infinity of other places on the earth where we can follow the same directions and still get back to the same place. Can you tell me the general locale where they exist, and what the route will look like?

  It is this “expanded thinking” that I am fascinated with. It is from there that we gain new knowledge. Just like wandering through an unexplored wilderness, one never knows what will be discovered.

  Closely related to that is the “oneness or commonality” that we can find in seemingly unrelated things. I refer to it as “patterns” that we can sense behind some of the things we see. An excellent example of one would be the experience of Dmitri I. Mendeleev and the way he came to formulate his Periodic Table of Elements. (If you’re not familiar with that, check him out in the encyclopedia.)

  Then too, we need to keep in mind that the knowledge we possess right now is miniscule in comparison to everything that can be learned. Look at it this way:

  If, in the 1600’s, we would have walked across the room, flicked a switch on the wall and a bright light suddenly appeared in the ceiling, we would probably been hung for witchcraft. Or, to use another example, picture two of the most intelligent men of their age, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, trying to understand and fix one of today’s computers when it’s broken down.

  When we look into the past and compare our knowledge now with what they had then, we appear to be light years ahead of them. That makes us feel good and flatters our egos. But in the process we tend to forget that there is far more yet to learn than what we have already learned.

  We might compare it to a sand flea on the beach in Alaska. Every evening at dusk they migrate down to the water line and every dawn go right back up to the vegetation line to sleep during the day. All we are is like the one who decided to go a little farther, climbed the 15 foot bank above the shore and looked out at the magnificent view that no other sand flea in history ever saw.

  He would be quite proud of himself, wouldn’t he? He may even wish to lord it over his fellows and claim to have all knowledge. But what he doesn’t realize is that a few miles further inland, there is a mountain that goes up another 20,305 feet. That rather dwarfs his measly 15 feet, doesn’t it? How are we any different? How foolish we are to allow any of our “truths” to become “relative truths believed absolutely”!

  The reason I am so fascinated with this concept is that it is a way to structure knowledge, to reduce conflict and encourage the sharing of viewpoints without ego interfering with our helping one another to advance. It is a way to sharpen one another’s “face”, as the scripture says. (Prov. 27:17) It’s a whole new frontier where everyone can explore and be thrilled by their part in it.

  What’s exciting is that there is a whole truckload more of artichokes, all of which need some peeling. I don’t know about you, but I’m excited.

  Look this over and see if you can get a handhold on another leaf that I haven’t identified yet. Enjoy yourself and have fun.

  ‘Til later,

  LoneWolf
  Alias: Tom Howell