mt 24:45-47.
45 "who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
To me too, but I was afraid to even ask djeggnog after the run-around I got from him on his own statement:
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the slave's "domestics"...
I still have no idea if "slave's" was a typo on his part, or if it was intentional.
Any guess?
Thanks WMF
mt 24:45-47.
45 "who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
Lol, thanks for the info. I thought it harmless to have him try and clarify one small, minor point of his so I could rule out a typo, but...lol.
Anyway, do you think the highlighted words in this post are referring to the master, or the servant? Just curious; this is not a setup.
mt 24:45-47.
45 "who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
Mt 24:45-47
45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
47 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
ESV
I think this is a simple question. Who do the JW's typically identify the highlighted possessive pronouns to be: The master, or the servant?
I think "his" is referring to the master in these highlighted portions, but I've never been a JW, so I can't speak for them. Djeggnog apparantly is a JW, but I can't trust him, as my "conversation" with djeggnog ended with him throwing out insults and being unable to answer an elementary question regarding a statement he made. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222294/4/More-Elders-Doubt-They-Are-Appointed-By-The-Holy-Spirit
I don't intend this to be controversial; although no one can speak for djeggnog, who was not able to clarify his own constructed sentence, I figure most JW's should be able to clarify this verse. I sincerely would like to know what JW's typically think on these highlighted areas.
Thanks much!
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
I'm going to humor you here, but I'm done humoring you, so after this post, if you're still stuck, you're going to have to ask someone else to help you.
LOL! Djeggnog, if you can't answer this elementary question as to your intended meaning, how is anyone else going to?
AND, if you can't answer an elementary question as to your intendedmeaning on a sentence you formed, I certainly won't be able to trust you on sentences found in the Bible which you didn't form.
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
(What I find interesting in all this, is that I simply read something djeggnog wrote and I sincerely wondered if it was a typo, or if I was misunderstanding what he was trying to communicate, or whatever the case might have been.
It wasn't even supposed to be a big deal. In an attempt to find out, I feel like he dances around the simple issue I bring up and avoids committing to a clear and simple answer that can be reduced down to one word. I don't even think this is a controversial issue.
As he seemingly misses the point and avoids answering my question in the same sense that I intended, I feel I have to simplify the question more and more, and now it is so simple that he is apparently insulted by it, yet still hasn't answered it in the same sense that it was asked.)
I apologize to anyone I've frustrated by this. This whole thing could have been cleared up with a one-word answer, but unfortunately...
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the ___???___'s "domestics"...
Djeggnog, which of the following is/are the appropriate possessive noun(s) that communicates the intended meaning of your above quote?
A) Slave's
or
B) Master's
(drum roll please)
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
Djeggnog, I'm not joking; I sincerely want to know what you were trying to communicate in that original.
I think your multiple choice is inane, but just compare #1 with #2 and you should be able to figure out the word in #2 you should use to "fill in the blank" in #1.
And yet you apparently have diffuculty answering it(?).
Is my question really that lost on you? Me, myself, and I already know what word I would and should use to "fill in the blank", but it serves no purpose in determining what word you think should be used.
This one thinks possessive pronouns like "his" are possessive nouns.
Wrong again. I keep referring you to your original, which did contain a possessive noun "slave's". Perhaps you need to slow down when you read these elementary questions you seemingly have difficulty answering.
So, apparently you've come down to options A and B as your intended 'possessive noun' in your original. So which is it Djeggnog?
You can keep your condescending insults coming, I trust they come from your heart and are sincere.
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
Djeggnog,
Let's make this as easy as possible to clarify your original statement, otherwise it seems I'll just have to keep asking you to clarify each subsequent answer you give. This should be quite simple and I would appreciate your patience.
I've tried to get you to just simply fill in the blank, leaving all other words the same, just simply fill in the blank with the appropriate possessive noun. I'll even make it multiple choice. Simply pick the appropriate answer and, if you would like, follow it with an explanation if you feel it is necessary.
In your statement:
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the ___???___'s "domestics"...
The following is/are the appropriate possessive noun(s):
A) Slave's
B) Master's
C) Both A and B
D) None of the above
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
What I see in the Bible is this:
Mt 24:45-47
"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
47 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
ESV
It looks to me that the Master sets the slave/servant/steward over the master's household and over all of the master's possessions. The "his" in this passage appears to be the "Master".
But Djeggnog, it looks like you are telling me, "yes" that's correct, but at the same time you seem to contradict it by using the possessive noun "slave's" in place of "master's". See your original:
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the slave's "domestics"...
Basically, I've just re-restated what I've been asking for clarification. Is this intentional or is it an error? Go back to this original, because I think you misunderstood when you tried to clarify, and thus you threw in the word "fellow" while focusing on the wrong area (green highlighted instead of the possessive noun) and that just adds to the confusion for me when comparing it to the actual scriptures cited. (see below)
The "slave" or "steward" is in charge of or has been appointed over his fellow "domestics." I'm now going to change one word and say exactly the same thing: The "slave" or "steward" is in charge of or has been appointed over his fellow "slaves."
the study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
So you say:
The "slave" or "steward" is in charge of or has been appointed over his fellow "domestics." I'm now going to change one word and say exactly the same thing: The "slave" or "steward" is in charge of or has been appointed over his fellow "slaves."
You seem to be addressing the green highlighted area, whereas I'm asking for clarification on the 'possessive noun' instead. On the original, it is the yellow highlighted area. In this latest version of yours, it is the "his" that needs to be identified (his domestics...whose domestics?) Who is the "his" to which the domestics belong? This is what I am trying to get you to clarify by using this fill in the blank from your original statement:
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the ___???___'s "domestics"...
You used the possessive noun, "slave's" in that original:
Djeggnog: ...it is by means of holy spirit that the "faithful and discreet slave" (Matthew 24:45-47), as represented by the Governing Body, received its appointment to preside over the slave's "domestics"...
Yet you admit that the "domestics" belong to the Master (Jesus), so why do you use the possessive noun "slave's" instead of "master's"? Is this an error or is it intentional? To me, that sounds like you are contradicting yourself; on one hand you say "slave's domestics", on the other you say the domestics belong to the master ("master's domestics").
