Posts by LovesDubs

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WTBTS Monitoring Discussion Boards??????

by normie67 in

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just curious many say that the org monitors dbs, but anybody have concrete proof of this??

oh by the way at the recent ca dbs were mentioned from the platform!!!

the thought was "some jws were visting jehovahs witness discusssion boards and trying to correspond with some"...might not be exactly what was said(not an actual quote)...they mentioned put a doubt in your mind and start questioning your beliefs!!!

LovesDubs

Well of course the Society has an ENTIRE secret department who does nothing else but monitor apostate sites and discussion boards such as this to see what BROTHERS are looking at...the problem is, they keep having to get new people to do the job because the old ones keep "leaving Jehovah" a phenomenon they cant seem to explain, except that there MUST be a proof text somewhere about it that they can "..." enough to fit that hole. There is one brother reading the internet with inch thick glasses, another writing down online names and addresses on a list, and another brother furiously updating their databases and stamping 'WATCH THIS ONE" on files in some stacks in a high tower with nothing but candle light to work by.

rofl...what a visual

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new, nowhere to turn, ashamed & afraid

by azzazel in

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hullo everybody i'm new here, even though i've been lurking now for several months.. i have to say how afraid i am to post, afraid and ashamed but i feel if i dont tell my story, i honestly dont know what may happen to me or my children if they lose me, right now i feel like i've got nowhere left to turn and have my doubts about this place as well.. i know my story will shock you but i cant keep it in any longer.

i am recently disfellowshipped for immorality, the subject of a kingdom hall witch -hunt and subsequent congregational humiliation, .

during the process of the judicial committee meetings and proceedings no consideration was given to my real human circumstances nor to the spirit of survival nor human nature nor that of a mother seeking to protect her children from lack of basic fundamentals such as food, shelter and clothing.

LovesDubs

Gosh, Im sorry...I cant muster sympathy for somebody who introduces themselves by immediately slamming others who are trying to help people. That doesnt cut it.

I think you might be looking for a handout Az. I dont see you doing anything but wallowing in your own pity party, doing the Steve Martin "I was born a po black chil'" act like somehow that's why you cant go get an education, get a job and get up out of that puddle you insist on sitting in. There are more opportunities for jobs and scholarships for minority WOMEN out there than middle class educated white women because the laws dictate equal opportunity. Its the 21st Century...you gotta grab that bull by the horns and quit asking everybody else to do it for you.

Yes there ARE ways to fix your situation. I dont think you are consumed with guilt about what you are doing...I think you are looking for somebody to agree that it was OK for you to do it.

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Did you/Do you actually LIKE Field Service?

by LovesDubs in

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god i hated it..every living breathing minute of it.

it was pure hell for me, and based on the pace i see the jws all over the world moving, they aint so fond of it neither.

the persecution that the jws feel they get is from irritated householders who know nothing about their religion except that they hit people over the head with it and then judge them because they dont like being hit over the head with it.

LovesDubs

God I hated it..every living breathing minute of it. It was pure hell for me, and based on the PACE I see the JWs all over the world moving, they aint so fond of it neither. The persecution that the JWs feel they get is from irritated householders who know nothing about their religion except that they hit people over the head with it and then judge them because they dont LIKE being hit over the head with it. I even "vacation pioneered" a few times to make myself look better to the "in" crowd...but I gotta tell ya, Id rather have had root canal work every one of those 30 days than do what I had to do. How do you guys feel about having to do this "life saving work."??

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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?

by Englishman in

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my kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.

he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.

my father said that tom was:.

LovesDubs

Are you guys noticing the READERSHIP on this thread?? You have definitely hit a nerve here.

As for this NOT being a cross section of JWs or EXJWs...I have been out of the borg and online (with few exceptions) DAILY since March of 1996. And like many of you, I have been DEEPLY involved in the lives of the people who remain in and who, like me, have gotten the hell out of The Tower of Babel II. And this IS an accurate cross section of those who are leaving! It reflects EVERYTHING I have read and experienced and seen since coming on board 5 years ago. No matter where you are in the world, the experiences are exactly the same...some WORSE in fact...but the attitudes, the reactions, the damage are EXACTLY as portrayed here. And the Society is WELL AWARE of what they are doing to people and couldnt give a rat's ars, as long as they get their money and the mucky mucks get their free cars, and food, digs and life and health insurance paid for em.

If you want a PRIME example of JW control over kids lives, you need only read the brochure by the Society "Preparing For Child Custody Cases" which Randy has on his site with his comments. Read that thing...it will make you PUKE and I saw this stuff IN COURT and IN PERSON, and watched the JWs lie through their donut rotted teeth right to the judge's face, with two attorneys from Bethel sitting right there prompting the blatantly false testimony.

http://www.freeminds.org/legal/custody.htm

The gist being...that in COURT the JW parent and child must learn to PRETEND that they are "normal" to satisfy the courts. They must be LEAD to say EXACTLY what needs to be said to FAKE "normalcy." Xandit...wherever you are from, what you portray is NOT the norm, and if you believe that only YOUR experiences represent the "usual" within the Unfriendly Confines of the Organization, you havent done much reading in here at all.

The Society is extremely two-faced. On the one hand they wont allow kids to go out for sports in school because of the Bad Association, and in the next breath will be GLOATING about the Williams Sisters as Witnesses who are taking a victory lap at the OLYMPICS (another forbidden nationalistic activity) WITH an American Flag, STANDING for the national anthem and COMPETING internationally with every sordid bad associate with a tennis racket out there. Now their older brother has had his HOLY BUTT hauled into court for assaulting his wife, and the father is suspected of fixing matches. Gosh but LOOK! Even "celebrities" are Jehovahs Witnesses so it MUST be the truth! Or some such twisted reasoning as that.

What they say and what they do, and what they SAY they do are ENTIRELY different things.

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A friend of mine partook

by hippikon in

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a friend of mine partook of the emblems the other day.

now the elders want to speak with him.

i know he lurks hear so i want him to see your answers?

LovesDubs

You didnt say if the friend was a JW or not. If he was not then partaking is what Christians do, and they wont count him..but they probably will give him The Lecture. If he is a JW then he will have to face the music because he knows the consequences. To partake at a Memorial is to participate in THEIR rituals. The way I figure it, if a person doesnt like the way the JWs do things and they think that all Christians should partiake, which...I think is the case...then they should go to a church and take communion or just do it themselves at home. One doesnt need to be in a public place to do it after all. Jesus said "whenever you do this...remember me". I used to think it would be great sport to partake and disturb the whole thing, but in retrospect, it IS their party, and frankly I dont think it convinces any of them to do it too...just makes us look satanic...which in turn plays into their hands. Yknow?

I think your friend better just be HONEST about what his intentions were.

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New one

by Ingrid in

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hello i'm ingrid from sweeden.

i'm new ere.

is this a witnesses of jehowa site or an apostate site?.

LovesDubs

Alllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn!!!

ROFLROFL!!!!

hold the MAO

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Moving on

by Introspection in

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i saw a recent post of someone leaving the board so they can move on.

it's been years for me and i actually have never come to a board like this until recently.

i'm just curious, how is everybody doing in that regard?

LovesDubs

Do you remember what the Society said about the ressurection, how it would go? That those who survived would in turn help the first ones ressurected, the last in - first out thing...the most recently dead would be the first ones ressurected, and they in turn would help the ones who come out next by getting them situated and updated and preparing THEM to help the next batch out and so on. Well, I see it that way for those of us leaving the Organization. I think since there was a group here to help US when we left, I feel it is necessary to in turn help those who left after we did. Getting them comfortable in their new role, and then perhaps it will be our turn to move on. But keeping that support going is very important...over 200,000 people leaving every year, my friends, they need us. Ive been out 5 years now, and I never felt this "need" nor the compunction to help people come IN as I do to help them coming out.

Dont be in a hurry to push people to move on. If you are ready to go ...then you go with our blessings. The rest of us will follow in due time.

{{{{}}}}

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Tonight's memorial - did you go?

by dmouse in

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my wife has just left for the memorial.. just before she went she asked me to come...this was the second year in a row that i declined.

i hated seeing her so sad, i almost agreed to go just to cheer her up but that would betray her in a very real sense.

to go to the memorial would be an admission in her eyes (and other jws) that i still believe deep down that it is the truth.

LovesDubs

{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}} to all of you, myself included, that have to even THINK about any of this. What is WRONG with this picture people? Where did Jesus say, "Fasten your seatbelts, kids, this being-a-Christian thing will be like doing Mach 4 on a Tilt O Whirl, your life, your kids, your friends, your sanity flying in all different directions. Isnt this FUN? What do you MEAN this isnt what you signed on for?? Ingrates...no appreciation for the fine things Jehovah gave you!" NOT

He said 'MY YOKE IS LIGHT'...and here we are sweating, crying, straining, wishing the day away while our loved ones are doing basically the same thing about US only at a HALL somewhere and we cant do any of this TOGETHER. We cant work it out together with them. We cant talk about our feelings, or spiritual things or our worries or our REAL wants and needs...our lives, our relationships hanging by a thread. There but for one badly placed comment go our marriages, our children...everything we hold dear.

And is God doing this to us? A resounding NO!!!

The man made organization headquartered in Brooklyn Heights, New York under the guise of being GODS has taken away everything, and is on the brink of taking whatever else it can from us.

And there they sit, on this "holy" night, bypassing the gift that Jesus gave to all of them, excited over what? dressed up for what? listening to that Brother from Bethel speak for what? Were we all so pathetic that all but for 45 minutes of every year of our lives we looked forward to nothing else??

My husband went. He took the three kids, they grudgingly went. I helped to dress, feed, cajole them...even took pictures, found their NWTS, kissed and hugged them all. And the sun is setting now. I know every word being said only a block away from my home. Every word...none of them being "love your family, love all people as I have loved you. Let nothing come between you."

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1975 - After 26 years isn't it time to move on?

by digderidoo in

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i'm relatively new on this site...but one subject i've noticed that seems to create alot of interest is that of 1975.. our family became witnesses it 1983 so i wasn't around at the time.

forgive me if i do not understand why many were so angry with the wts at the time.. i understand the point that the society blamed individual witnesses and didn't take any responsibility themselves.

i can see how witnesses got angry over that.. but, what i do not understand is why many still research into what the society said, or didn't say, or insinuated.

LovesDubs

There are people who say that just because they werent there for it the HOLACAUST also didnt happen. That it is Jewish Urban Legend made up to trump up sympathy. If its OLD news and we should just move on, perhaps all the OlD news in the Bible which is 2000 years old, we should just move past too? If a person lied to you and lied to you and lied to you...why would you believe them when they tell you anything now? Just because what they said was in the past? Just because they are now labeling it a "mistake" and not THEIR mistake but the SHEEP'S mistake somehow its now irrelevant and never happened or was greatly exaggerated? Tell me how 3 million people all came to the EXACT same conclusions at the EXACT same time if that "conclusion was not careful orchestrated and PLACED there for them to "conclude"? I suggest strongly you go look at what your innocent Society wrote to create this fervor.

http://www.freeminds.org/bethel/coc9.htm
and

http://www.freeminds.org/history/part4.htm

read it ALL

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Speaking of Mommy Dearest....

by LovesDubs in

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i heard the most interesting talk last year at the pa convention (witnesses now for jesus) regarding the roles that jws take...that basically there are three roles in a person's life, authority figure/parent, adult, and child.

the society becomes the authority figure, the jws become the children and the thinking, reasoning adult is suppressed, in fact destroyed.

hence, the jw becomes incapable of processing information or making decisions after awhile.

LovesDubs

Eng...well...there it is. :) I knew this probably wasnt a new concept but I gotta tell ya, the LIGHT definitely went on in MY head when I heard this. It was like well HELL yeah, thats what this is!

Thanks